<p>Blah, don’t let the kool-aid drinkers intimidate you. Also, don’t expect logic and facts to work with people who have their minds made up.</p>
<p>“Also, don’t expect logic and facts to work with people who have their minds made up.”</p>
<p>That works both ways CHD2013.</p>
<p>^are you referring to me rj?..=). I’d like to think I’m pretty logical as an engineer.</p>
<p>It’s literally insane to trust a ranking that doesn’t have Harvard or JHU as a top 100 engineering program or has Virginia Tech as the worst US engineering program ranked within the top 100. As a professional engineer and former engineering faculty member, JHU holds its own compared to Mich and Vtech is a decent engineering school.</p>
<p>I never tried to indicate UMich is better or more famous overall. Read again. I said it is not behind JHU much and one ranking even put it ahead. Your comprehension has some problem.
Where did you find the statistics for JHU engineering admission? I just wonder how much stronger you are talking about. I only find the stat for the whole school.</p>
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@Blah2009 Don’t try to put your words in my mouth. You are making up the comment and critique it yourself. A very poor tactic. LOL.</p>
<p>“Your comprehension has some problem”…please write in proper english before you fail at criticizing someone lol.</p>
<p>Read my posts bill in this thread bill where i cite jhu’s engineering student stats. That is if you can read as you are the one on here with abysmal comprehension. Us news puts michigan as #27 while jhu is #12 in the country. Shanghai world university rankings also place jhu 6 spots of michigan internationally. The majority of university reputation rankings are not in your favor.</p>
<p>Blah, I think most adults will agree that the US News ranking is severely flawed and does not accurately depict the quality of universities since the methodology is questionable and relies entirely on unverifiable data. All reputational ratings I have seen rate Michigan and JHU neck and neck. </p>
<p>Here bill, in case you have more difficulty:</p>
<p>Michigan enrolled engineering student stats:</p>
<p>Michigan engineering admissions rate: 30%
SAT math middle 50th percentile: 700 to 780
SAT verbal: 620 to 720
ACT composite: 30 to 33</p>
<p>Compared to Johns Hopkins enrolled engineering students:</p>
<p>engineering admissions rate: 19% (likely to be ALOT lower this year as the overall acceptance rate across the entire university is 15%)
SAT math: 720 to 790
SAT verbal: 650 to 740
ACT composite: 32 to 34</p>
<p>Keep in mind only 30% submitted SAT scores at Michigan while 70% submitted SAT scores at Hopkins. It would be more appropriate to compare Michigan’s ACT (33 = 1460) scores to Hopkins SAT scores (1530)</p>
<p>The differences in the end are not large. My point is this:</p>
<p>Why would more qualified jhu engineering students choose a school harder to get into compared to an easier school with a engineering program that you consider to be much better? Here’s a hint, it is because they know the difference between michigan and hopkins engineering is not as large as YOU might believe. Both are excellent at the undergraduate level. Michigan shines more at the graduate level.</p>
<p><a href=“http://profiles.asee.org/profiles/6018/screen/19?school_name=University+of+Michigan”>http://profiles.asee.org/profiles/6018/screen/19?school_name=University+of+Michigan</a></p>
<p>Alexandre, i agree. All rankings are flawed in one way another. I take issue when someone points to a flawed ranking to discredit a school’s engineering program to the point of it not being top 100 caliber with some bizarre “engineering and technology designation”. </p>
<p>I don’t understand why anyone would try to differentiate two highly-regarded schools (both with strong programs in your desired major) based on something as inchoate as “prestige” or on a few points difference in rankings. Not when you’re facing a very objective discriminator with very real consequences (for most families): a $13K/y price difference. </p>
<p>If you insist on using rankings, in my opinion the overall US News institutional rankings are more believable than most others. The methodology is open to question. It includes a couple of factors (the GC ratings, alumni contributions) I’d like to see removed. But “severely flawed” is too strong. Which colleges in the top 20 don’t belong there (or close behind)? How many colleges far outside the top 20 do? What other ranking generates a more plausible list? </p>
<p>The USNWR engineering rankings are based solely on opinion polls. The international rankings (Shanghai, T.H.E.) use opinion polls (not credible when you’re polling opinions about undergraduate programs in distant countries) or faculty publication and citation volumes (more scientific, but not entirely relevant to undergraduate program quality).</p>
<p>" ^are you referring to me rj?..=). I’d like to think I’m pretty logical as an engineer."</p>
<p>I was not referring to you.</p>
<p>“The USNWR engineering rankings are based solely on opinion polls…”</p>
<p>…and has been stated multiple times before on this site, opinion polls of thousands cannot be easily manipulated. </p>
<p>Although Caltech is a small school, it’s engineering program is relatively large.</p>
<p>It is a technical school after all</p>
<p>Caltech has fewer undergraduate engineers than JHU. </p>
<p>I am a 2nd generation Engineer. My dad was a Mechanical Engineer and so am I. My D2 will start ChemE this Fall. JHU cannot be considered to be on par with UMich for engineering for any level - undergrad, grad or higher. Period.</p>
<p>^As a professionally licensed engineer, stanford engineering ph.d, and professor that has taught at engineering schools better than either michigan or jhu such as stanford and caltech, i dont hold your opinion in much regard. Period.</p>
<p>^^^^Since Stanford and Caltech are both better than Michigan for engineering, as you clearly stated, why can’t you admit that Michigan is better than JHU for overall engineering? In your opinion, there is obviously some kind of pecking order. </p>
<p>^
Without hesitation, I will say Michigan engineering is better than Hopkins engineering at the graduate level due to quality of graduate research.</p>
<p>However, please tell me what factors make Michigan better than Hopkins at the undergraduate level for engineering? Class sizes? Quality of peers? Job and Graduate School Placement? Material taught?</p>
<p>Engineering curriculum taught is largely the same. JHU has stronger engineering students, but not significantly so - this suggests material covered in class will be around the same pace versus a Podunk school. </p>
<p>You think mechanics or signals processing or circuits or dynamics is taught different at michigan or jhu? hardly. I’'ve shown the grad school and job placement for JHU - Most students are employed (usually <5% unemployment rate) and Stanford, MIT, Caltech lead the way in enrolling JHU students for grad school. These schools do not enroll undergraduates in mass from poor engineering schools.</p>
<p>My D1 passed up a free ride at our state U. But she felt clearly (and I agree)that she didn’t fit there, and it isn’t as “good” as UMCP.</p>
<p>In your case, consider making a deal with your parents that they pay you $25k per year and you go to UMCP. Then do your darndest to excel at UMCP, to make the whole thing pay off. The difference in money is just so huge, why not keep that in the family,. if you can? UMCP is a good school. I have to think that if you do well there you will have good opportunities.</p>
<p>I don’t know anything about Hopkins engineering. IMO one thing to find out is, if you actually want to work as an engineer after college, do they have lots of engineering recruiters coming to campus, in your area of interest? How do kids who want jobs get them?
Also check the Registrar’s list of courses actually given in your possible fields of interest over the last two semesters. If it seems sufficient, consider the added convenience of not being so far from home. And the different atmospheres of the two campuses.</p>
<p>IMO engineering recruiters won’t care about the rankings of the research programs of the schools’ professors, and they will think that Hopkins grads are just as smart as good U Much grads. The question is whether there are enough of those grads who actually want to go to work, and are properly trained for same, to justify recruiting there. I don’t know the answer. If it’s yes, and it seems to have what you want, I don’t know that U Mich would obviously be “better”, for you. Even if it’s engineering professors do more research hence higher engineering rank. My guess is UMCP gets plenty of engineering recruiters. But it’s just a guess.</p>