<p>Sweet, we're all in this together. haha. OK so any more thoughts. any one want to compile stuff so we get a sense?</p>
<p>JMO, I agree with the argument put forth that Joseph did find her funny. That's why I regret it. Ace, I really hope you're right about irony, because I still can't see why the other answer choices wouldn't fit Slipshod - she presumes Joseph is in love with her, and when he tries to disabuse her of that notion, she blatantly fools herself into thinking that he does love her.</p>
<p>Oh, and I found a literary analysis of the Kid Jones story in case anyone's interested. It's a 1966 story by Ann Petry, and the analysis is [url=<a href="http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:kY-MGvoqwYYJ:homepage.uibk.ac.at/%7Ec61037/diplomarbeitclaudiaschwarz.pdf+%22kid+jones%22+drums&hl=en&gl=my&ct=clnk&cd=7&client=firefox-a#38%5Dhere%5B/url">http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:kY-MGvoqwYYJ:homepage.uibk.ac.at/~c61037/diplomarbeitclaudiaschwarz.pdf+%22kid+jones%22+drums&hl=en&gl=my&ct=clnk&cd=7&client=firefox-a#38]here[/url</a>]. Don't see much about the rain, though, so it probably won't help there.</p>
<p>wasn't A the answer to the Galatea verb one? something about the chisel entrancing or something</p>
<p>And I just wanted to know if the question following the Galateas and Pygmalion poem was an except question. Some people are saying both.</p>
<p>Joannerz...i dont think that was an answer choice to the question that we are debating--possibly another one.</p>
<p>JMO - Your logic is still warped with regards to the oak question.</p>
<p>As for her being self-deceptive - she was deceiving herself into thinking that a) she was using the right words and b) had something to offer Joseph, something that he just couldn't see.</p>
<p>Joannerz - how was the poem saying the lilly was more precious than the oak?</p>
<p>Maybe I am not remembering things clearly, but she continues throughout the whole text to want him to love her. She does not fool herself into believing that he actually does. She will pounce either way, as the last paragraph says. She says "Oh Joseph!" not like he likes her but that she has such an intense desire for him</p>
<p>Hmm, it might have been self-deception come to think of it.</p>
<p>I thought of one more -__-</p>
<p>About the Kid Jones one, there was a question like in which answer choice does the music not relate to his emotional state. Something to that effect.</p>
<p>logic isnt warped; im not saying i am right. Frankly, I dont even remember which one i ended up choosing. if a poem talks about how a short fulfilled like is preferable to a long one...it can make sense.</p>
<p>i put presumption. I dont think she decieves herself, because she knows he doesnt love her. and i agree with your lily/oak logic JMO. Despite dying quickly, the lily was more valuable (therefore applies to the consoling answer)</p>
<p>JMO, i think we're on the same page.</p>
<p>Ace:
Uh...I thought the poem did say that the lily is more precious than the oak. It speaks of how centuries-old oaks are worthless, while a lily who lives for one day is an object of beauty. (Or something like that.)</p>
<p>The lily and the oak are opposites? I can't remember the exact wording but something led me to believe that the lily has lived a more worthy life.</p>
<p>Kid Jones anyone?
THat question is really bothering me now.</p>
<p>and about self-deception, this debate has me questioning if it is right! Maybe it is irony...this is killing me.</p>
<p>joan which kid jones question is that</p>
<p>The question asked which one is not an example of how the music caused him to think about his personal life.</p>
<p>Some of the choices were a) the drum beat
the whisper</p>
<p>I remember thinking that more than one didn't fit.</p>
<p>Was the piano (or something related to it) one of the choices, joannerz? If it was, I put that one down. Otherwise, I think that was another question.</p>
<p>the oak, after a thousand years, ended up as a rank corpse, the lilly lived only a day but achieved "light" and "beauty" Considering this, I thought that consoling an UNTIMELY death, or SHORT life, made sense</p>
<p>Yes! i put the piano =D</p>
<p>and the mrs. slipslop passage is part of a book called "Joseph Andrews" by Henry Fielding. you can view the text online at project gutenberg. maybe reading the context of the passage is most helpful</p>