LAC Job Placement

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Now you know why all these LAC grads are heading for grad school and have such high PhD rates- they can't get a job!!!! </p>

<p>Like mini said there may be reasons --good ones -- to attend LACs but jobs/connections/alumni base are not one of them</p>

<p>Admittedly this was a tech sector not i-banking, and I guess there aren't too many computer science/engineering/(?)business majors coming from LACs but I thought there'd be more representation for LACs as a group

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<p>I believe some of these quotes are pretty provocative. Consider this quote from Harvey-Mudd, the preeminent technical LAC.</p>

<p>"Average salary upon graduation in 2003 was $53,900."</p>

<p>Note that that salary includes people who graduated with many kinds of technical degrees available at Mudd - engineering, science, math, etc. This compares extremely favorably with the big-name research universities. For example, contrast that with the salaries of the engineers from Berkeley in 2003.</p>

<p><a href="http://career.berkeley.edu/CarDest/2003Majors.stm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://career.berkeley.edu/CarDest/2003Majors.stm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I've also noticed that people here have concentrated on the absolute number of recruiters that come knocking on the door of the LAC's, and have used that as a cudgel against them. While I do see some passing acknowledgement that the size of the program is also a factor, I don't think that has been given enough consideration. As an individual student, that does it really matter if a lot of recruiters come to your school with lots of jobs if you still can't get hired because there are too many other students competing with you for those jobs. It reminds me of the whole doctors vs. cashiers debate. There are far far more jobs for cashiers than for doctors in the world, but that doesn't mean that it's better for you to be a cashier. Economics is not just about demand, but rather about the interaction of supply and demand. You can't just look at the demand for labor, you also have to look at the supply. Big schools have a lot of recruiters and jobs available, but they also have lots of students competing for those jobs. </p>

<p>* The alumni networking thing *</p>

<p>As far as alumni networks go, probably the strongest I have ever seen is Harvard. Harvard alumni are legendary for their incestuousness. So I would put Harvard in a class all by itself in terms of alumni contacts.</p>

<p>The second strongest are almost certainly the service academies, especially West Point and Annapolis. You talk about alumni who go out of their way to help each other out, it's hard to beat the former military officers. </p>

<p>Yale, Stanford, Princeton, MIT, and Caltech are also quite tight. Some of the top LAC's, are also extremely tight. I would put them in the third category. </p>

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But if it were me, I'd rather take my chances with the 400 recruiters at Brown. More choices. Even if the recruiters also have more choices. After all, the more choices are exactly what induced more than half of them to show up at Brown, and not at Wellesley

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<p>The problem with that logic is simple. If the 400 recruiters at Brown are good, then why stop there? Why not go to a really really huge school like Ohio State where there can be literally thousands of recruiters?</p>

<p>From an employer's standpoint, as a job applicant you are not competing solely with the other applicants from your school. You are competing with the students at all schools that the company visits. </p>

<p>When I have been part of the recruiting process we have been seeking to hire the best people we could find. We had no quotas, or limits, on how many we could take from a particular school.</p>

<p>So for example, two good candidates we interviewed at Wellesley might be competing along with eight good candidates we interviewed at Brown for the same three slots.</p>

<p>We typically prescreen resumes, when permitted, to talk with the people we want, and if we had to stay longer, or send more people, because there were so many outstanding candidates at Brown that would be a great problem to have.</p>

<p>That's been my experience anyway, at two companies.</p>

<p>There is, actually, a tendency I've observed among two of my three past employers to focus on the big state universities if they can find enough qualified candidates there to meet their needs. For some types of industries and jobs this will be the case. For some other employers, or jobs, where they want to focus on max. brainpower, they will be looking at a different tier of schools in order to find enough candidates that meet their needs. But they'll probably hit some of the big state U's, too, if there are ways to screen applicants appropriately so they aren't wasting their time.</p>

<p>I'm sure there are exceptional LACs, but I still think it's an advantage, all things considered, to be able to get an interview on campus with a company whose work interests you. Less time and effort involved in job hunting, during a time when you are still focused on your schoolwork.You may not think that is important. More power to you.</p>

<p>Also, Harvey Mudd is an elite engineering school. As a potential employer looking for top quantitiative talent, Virtually the entire student body there qualifies as potential candidates. That's hardly the typical case. Plus it's in/near a huge population center, with other colleges you might also be interviewing at not that far away. So under those circumstances, yeah I'd be recruiting there, for this kind of talent.</p>

<p>IF :
-There was only an engineering department there, which graduated 20 students, half of which typically go to grad school.
-and it was located in a more remote location with few other comparable colleges/programs in the area, so most companies would have to make a special effort to visit it.</p>

<p>Then perhaps it would get less attention from cost and time-conscious recruiters, even though those ten prospective applicants are screeming good.</p>

<p>Doesn't mean I wouldn't hire them, or pay them less than they are worth. But they'd have to take more initiative to get an interview, in a way that is less convenient for them.</p>

<p>I recall when S was looking for internships there were recruiters who conducted interviews etc on campus even more than a day. It was not uncommon to have a first interview on day one, then get a call back for second interview the next day, still on campus, if you made that first cut. Followed a couple weeks later by the plane/hotel tickets for a third onsite interview. I'm doubting the recruiter would be willing to invest that much time and money for so few bites at an LAC unless, as has been said, it's near other schools or cities. </p>

<p>yes, I agree that how many companies come to a school might by itself not be terribly useful. Too many variables...chief among them...WHICH companies they are. You can argue business/engineering/science/tech/large schools have the most recruiters, and of course the same place can recruit 100 kids at Penn State and 3 at Lafayette...still counts as one recruiter for each school.</p>

<p>Admittedly this is OLD but these numbers are from Peterson's 2000 edition. I tried to cover all types of schools:</p>

<p>COLLEGE/ENROLLMENT/NUMBER OF RECRUITERS ON CAMPUS</p>

<p>Amherst/1600/65
Brown/5800/400
CalTech/900/176
Carleton/1856/60
Carnegie Mellon/5400/900
Colgate/2770/109
Cornell/13400/500
Dartmouth/4000/215
Davidson/1635/90
Dickinson/1785/23
Duke/6300/210
Gettysburg/2123/51
Harvey Mudd/700/72
JHU/3700/125
Lafayette/2200/250
Lehigh/4400/382
MIT/4300/700
Millersville U of PA/6280/47
Penn/9900/400
Penn State/33600/970
Pitt/16100/400
Pomona/1570/165
Princeton/4600/300
RIT/9800/600
Rowan College of NJ/7420/65
RPI/4520/377
RutgersColl/10600/500
Swarthmore/1380/99
UCB/22000/600
UCLA/24600/1400
UCSD/15800/4249 (!)
UMD/23600/520
UIll/27000/2247
UMich24000/950
UNCCH/14800/512
Upper Iowa U/4230/4 (!)
West Chester U of PA/9100/280
Williams/2000/100</p>