Leaving the Berk. Make Suggestions

<p>Hey all,</p>

<p>I'm currently a 2nd year student at UC Berkeley. I've had thoughts about transferring early on in my Berkeley career, but decided to stick around and hope I'd enjoy my experience here more. Unfortunately, I've finally decided that I would like to transfer and spend my next two years of college elsewhere, preferably somewhere smaller.</p>

<p>What did I not like about Berkeley? </p>

<p>I didn't like the size. I felt the school was too big for the administration to handle, and so it's typical for students to feel like they don't get any of the attention that a school should provide. It's a very disconnected campus without much of a community feel. Everyone keeps to themselves and their own friend groups. It's common to attend a discussion section weekly for an entire semester and not know the names of anyone in your group. It's so large that people get used to meeting people briefly, doing whatever assignment needs to get done, then parting ways, usually for good. It's made a lot of interactions here very artificial and shallow.</p>

<p>The academics. My problem with Berkeley's academics is that many of the professors are great researchers, no doubt, but simply should not be teachers. I've taught several classes over the summers and throughout a gap year I took after high school. I love teaching, and I want to be a teacher. So I respect teaching as a craft, and I respect the relationship a teacher and a student shares. I think this relationship is an important part of a successful education. It's very difficult to get that here. Most of my classes here have had anywhere from 100 to 600+ students. Even in the upper divisions (at least from my experience as a Psych major), you'll find huge classes, where you're simply spoonfed information and expected to just memorize a bunch of facts and diagrams. There are definitely people who thrive here academically. At Berkeley, you will be surrounded by some of the most driven students in the world. For myself, it has been a struggle to keep up with the workload and competition. It has been incredibly stressful, but for all that stress, I'm not sure that I've learned very much. This is also because much of your experiences with your classes depend heavily on which GSI you are assigned to. Your GSI is responsible for reading your papers and teaching you the material more in depth than in your lectures, in smaller groups. Unfortunately, my experiences with my GSIs have been too sporadic for the amount of money I have to pay to attend. I've had a couple of very awesome GSIs. But I've also had too many AWFUL GSIs who clearly didn't care about the class and made the class experience so much more difficult than it had to be.</p>

<p>I want to avoid this turning into some longwinded, incoherent rant, so I will end this here and say that there are also things about Berkeley that are pretty amazing. For one, I had an immunology professor who was part of the team to make an Anthrax vaccine for the US. He was an amazing teacher. Too bad I got a C, even with all the studying. But that's just kind of what happens at UC Berkeley. Grade deflation. </p>

<p>As for suggestions, I'm looking to transfer to a smaller school with a comparable academic standing. I think I'd like to try my hand at a liberal arts college. Some things to note, I'm a psych major, but I also have a strong interest in learning languages. At the moment, I'm learning Korean and Chinese. The school I transfer to doesn't necessarily have to offer Korean, however, as I know it's not common. I'm hoping to go somewhere with more of a community feeling, where professors are less research oriented and more teacher oriented, and where classes are perhaps more discussion based. I'm flexible in terms of location.</p>

<p>Hey, I saw your post on the Berkeley board. I’m a current fifth-year at Berkeley who had planned to transfer after my freshman year. I agree with you that Berkeley can be an emotionally exhausting place, academically and socially. Especially socially.</p>

<p>Back in high school I longed to go to a small liberal arts college. I was scared of Berkeley and its size. I knew it’d be a tough place for me, but went anyway because my parents disapproved of my going to a liberal arts college – how many low-income kids would go to a random school with no reputation when they could go to Berkeley?! (But I digress.) Anyway, I applied to several LACs near the end of my freshman year, deciding I couldn’t take the loneliness and the stress of my decision the previous year, and only got accepted to one college (out of five or six applied). I have to warn you that most LACs have very low transfer acceptance rates. Make sure you know how determined you are before paying those application checks.</p>

<p>I felt uncomfortable when I visited the single college I was accepted to and decided to stay in Berkeley. That school seemed socially stuffy, unexciting in terms of classes, and in the middle of nowhere. Thankfully, in the years since I have made some close friends at Berkeley – otherwise I’m sure I’d be bitter about Berkeley. I’ve taken super interesting classes that would be rare at other schools and have studied abroad twice. </p>

<p>If you do end up staying at Berkeley for one reason or another, I’d like to point out that upper division classes have been far more awesome than lower division ones. The material is more interesting, the classes are smaller, the professors are more interested in you. Also, consider the fact that moving to another school your junior year means that you have limited time to get used to your new surroundings. It might limit your opinions, class-wise and in terms of other opportunities, like studying abroad.</p>

<p>(As an aside…I also considered Psych as a major and I gotta say, it’s pretty intimidating! It seems the whole major is made up of HUGE classes and discussions and seems competitive from what I’ve seen of my psych friend’s workload. Have you looked at other majors?</p>

<p>btw, if you’re interested in Education, specifically literacy tutoring, you should take Ed195b with McCallum. He’s awesome.)</p>

<p>To be honest, I feel all the bureaucratic problems can be overlooked. Once you get some close friends and a sense of purpose, all that little stuff can easily be overcome. It’s a small part of school life, having to go to Sproul for paperwork (as it would be if you transferred to a different college).</p>

<p>As for school suggestions… pretty much any reputable college would have a good psych department. I suggest you look for schools that offer Chinese classes. Many school schools wouldn’t offer Chinese (or anything beyond beginning Chinese). And those that do, sometimes they only have one teacher. I don’t know, you leave the field open to a lot of school possibilities and might want to be more specific as to what you’re looking for.</p>

<p>I don’t want to discourage you from transferring or applying to transfer, but consider the possibility that maybe the grass on the other side just looks greener.</p>

<p>Anyway, hope that was a helpful perspective from someone who wanted to transfer and didn’t. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.</p>