"liberal arts college" feeling

<p>My son and I visited Emory a few months ago. When he looks at the school objectively, it has so much of what he's looking for. It almost the perfect school, except...</p>

<p>He just didn't "feel" drawn to it. It seemed to lack a certain atmosphere he is really attached to. He wants that intimate, maybe slightly cloistered intellectual community of peers studying things like philosophy and Russian lit and dadaist theater, etc. He wants a liberal arts college atmosphere with a intellectually purist bent. ;-)</p>

<p>He didn't like how the business school and the hospital and all the "real world" intrusions were such a looming presence, so much a part of the fabric of the place, or so it seemed on our visit.</p>

<p>On the other hand, he loved the internship opportunities, the co-major with journalism, the athletic team in his sport, the amazing guest speakers, etc. He loved everything about it except the feeling of the place.</p>

<p>It didn't help that our particular group of prospective students seemed to be almost 100% pre-law, pre-med, or hopeful business school entries. We had one other kid sitting in the back wavering between philosophy and creative writing, and thank heavens for him! But generally it felt very different from the other schools S has liked.</p>

<p>I'ts kind of a heartbreaker because it's such a good fit in other ways. My question is, is there any kind of a more defined sub-group of classic liberal arts students there? Is there any themed or specialty housing that is more geared to those students, is there any sense of a college-within-the-college that would situate him at least to some degree in that lovely liberal arts college experience he is so attracted to?</p>

<p>I find this post rather interesting, because i attend ucla and i am looking for a liberal arts type of school with small class sizes, so i started looking at Emory; but now that you mention all this, i am re-thinking things!</p>

<p>So here are my questions to you:</p>

<p>what state do you guys come from?
what made him not feel drawn to it? too big? too individualistic?
what schools did your son like?
were people friendly?</p>

<p>Sounds like it's just not a fit ... replace university with girlfriend and see how it sounds ... they're such a great couple I don't know why he doesn't marry her? If it's early in your college seach, you will get something like this for every visit - I just don't like the city, the school is too small, it's too big, etc. Be patient and don't fret. Eventually reality and reason will prevail</p>

<p>*what state do you guys come from?</p>

<p>We're from southern Oregon.</p>

<p>*what made him not feel drawn to it? too big? too individualistic?</p>

<p>I tihnk the size is pretty good. In the 6000 undergrads range if I recall correctly. Similar to Tufts, another school he visited. He likes the size fine, it's the pre-professional climate there that didn't suit him.</p>

<p>*what schools did your son like?</p>

<p>He liked most Pomona, Williams, Amherst, Occidental, also Whitman. There are others of that sort that he's interested in but hasn't been able to visit; Carleton, Kenyon, maybe another couple I'm not remembering right now. Emory has something different to offer, though, because of its somewhat larger size, but also because of its proximity to Atlanta. Tufts is about the same size, and near Boston. He liked that, too, but most of their grad schools are on different campuses, so the Medford campus retains that undergrad liberal arts feel.</p>

<p>*were people friendly?</p>

<p>That's a tough question to answer because on those tours you mostly deal with people whose job it is to be friendly. The few students that we happened to have any interaction at all with seemed neither friendly nor unfriendly... sorry I can't give you a better answer than that. I'm sure any school will have its more and less friendly souls, though, and it's all in what kind of friends you end up making there.</p>

<p>The students did seem on the surface to be a little ... how to put it? ... "conventional"? In my day (back at the dawn of time) we would have called them "straight", but it had nothing to do with sexual orientation back then. It meant square, not-hip, not eccentric, more "establishment". lol. I hope you know what I mean.</p>

<p>I would have loved to see a little bit more "skruffy" and artsy, but I didn't see even a gllmpse of it. Seemed odd to both my son and me. Not typical of other schools. But then I told him it's not smart to make overarching assumptions on so little information, and that's why I started this thread. Hopefully someone with more intimate knowledge of the school will share their experience.</p>

<p>LOL. Thanks, George. He's not too goofy that way though. He definitely can see what Emory has going for it. A lot! And I honestly experienced the same thing he did on the tour. What I don't know is if the tour really represented the school very well. It's not like he hated it there. He was very interested in it, it's just that it was lacking in that one piece -- the "feel" of the place.</p>

<p>You're right it may not be a good fit, but unfortunately there are certain things there that are more attractive to him than anywhere else. It's a conundrum. ;-)</p>

<p>thanks for your reply. I "visited" amherst through their online video tours (since im poor and i cant afford to travel so i just request videos), which was like about 2 hours long. And after that video, i dont know if Amherst is right for me. It seemed isolated as heck and the schools architecture wasnt astonishing or anything out of the ordinary... but i like what they try to do with their students and the school's value towards the students. Im still in the search for the right school for me! lol</p>

<p>Btw, pomona is a nice school.</p>

<p>Mojojojo, you should take a look at Tufts. It's really pretty cool. I was surprised at how appealing it was, and if you like the proximity to a city, Boston is a pretty great city to be proximate too. You will get New England winters, of course, but if that's not an issue for you, it would truly be worth a look. I think their acceptance rate and their general test scores/GPA profile is roughly similar to Emory, although the schools have completely different personalities.</p>

<p>Tufts has a very LAC vibe, much more so than most other small universities. Particularly becuase, as someone above said, most of the professional schools (med, dental, etc.) are on other campuses. The student-faculty ratio at Tufts is lower than MOST LACs! It's 9:1.!</p>

<p>I have looked at tufts and i even considered it, but the thing is that i cant wait til the fall to transfer, since i am a junior transfer, i cant wait til i am a senior since schools dont like senior transfers. Plus, i would lose a lot of units. With that in mind, i have to transfer this spring if i choose to not stay at ucla.</p>

<p>Whats the ratio for emory? does emory have TAs?</p>

<p>SoOreMom,</p>

<p>Your son’s sentiments are likely shared by many prospective college students, and it’s not always possible to know definitively that a certain school is the right one. Even when there are so many positives, there may be a “gut-level” feel that something is missing or not quite perfect. </p>

<p>Emory may not be for everybody, even if everything looks good on the surface. That said, significant factors for a student’s success in college include being self-initiating, self-driven and open (indeed, vigilant) to exploring new opportunities. The difference between high school and college is so great in this sense… nobody is going to remind a student about his/her daily tasks. The professors do not take roll call, and parents are not around to manage schedules. It’s for this reason that I frequently recommend Harlan Cohen’s book, “The Naked Roommate” (<a href="http://www.thenakedroommate.com/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.thenakedroommate.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Let me see if I can offer some anecdotal insights. I live only 15 minutes from the UC Berkley campus, and when my daughter began her college search process, her significant experience with a college campus was at Berkeley, where she had also attended a class. She also liked Pomona quite a bit and would have been happy at UCLA, although it seemed a bit impersonal to her. Pomona was the 4th school she visited and was on the top of her list for about a year before she finally visited Emory. I suppose it was fortuitous that by the time she visited Emory, she knew how to leverage a campus visit. She arranged to meet with people in the departments, made time to engage with students in majors of her interest, and had sorted through questions that she felt were important to address. This was a contrast to the first couple of schools we visited in which she did little preparation. Interestingly, she didn’t share with me her thoughts for two weeks following the visit, and so it was a bit surprising that she decided she wanted to apply ED to Emory instead of Pomona. She said that Emory “spoke” to her, and it’s difficult to say what it was exactly. I think it might have been the whole package. I also think that eventually she felt Pomona (and most of the LACs) were just too small for what she was looking for.</p>

<p>Aside from identifying academic interests and a schoolÂ’s resources to support those interests, so much of deciding on a school is very subjective, personal preferences. Certainly, a student must feel that s/he can make a home there for 4 years, but IÂ’ve known at least one student who loved Emory going in and then chose to transfer after her freshman year. In her case, she was homesick for her boyfriend back in Ohio and decided it was more important to maintain the relationship, thus leaving Emory and enrolling at a school back in Ohio. In my daughterÂ’s case, she had a good, but not great, freshman year. This year, she is enjoying herself immensely and doing well in all respects. There does seem to be an up-tick in affinity after oneÂ’s freshman year.</p>

<p>I know that having heard Jim Wagner (Emory President) speak a couple of times, he is fully committed to maintaining the liberal arts tradition at Emory (which is one reason why EmoryÂ’s Business School admits undergrad students beginning in their junior year, rather than having the BBA program being a 4-year program). Having been on the campus a number of times, I can see how circles of interest are formed. Initially, as a freshman, there are social circles formed around dorm life. If a student is involved with an athletic team, the bonds are formed there. Within certain academic disciplines, tight relationships are built (for instance in the Music and Dance Departments, where ensemble or choral groups are formed). About 30% of Emory students are affiliated with the Greek system, but freshmen do not rush until the second semester. Finally, as students become upper classmen, you can see excellent examples of their making full advantage of all the many resources (some of which are global) that Emory has to offer. There are also a myriad of Emory-sponsored clubs that offer special interests to students.</p>

<p>I will say that Emory has a certain “scrubbed” look about it. The landscaping and grounds are groomed immaculately, and the buildings are equally well-maintained. If you want “scuffiness” in your students, I think there are plenty in the dorms, from I’ve observed. As well, there are the somewhat “straight” and preppy-looking students who will not remind you of Berkeley or Ashland, OR. I don’t think I have any good advice to offer, but a single perception is not always going to give you the best picture of what is to come. One thing you might want to do is to contact somebody in the Office of Undergraduate Education at Emory. They might be able to give you some insight beyond what the Office of Admission might provide.</p>

<p>Other schools to consider-- U Chicago Wesleyan U. Vassar Brandeis</p>

<p>As a high schooler, he can get on Facebook and read profiles of current freshmen at Emory and even "talk" to them--that might help.</p>

<p>the impression you and your son got of emory is what it is. it's a pre-professional, non-artsy, career-focused, ridiculously cliquey and preppy school with a very superficial social feel. it's strengths are the polar opposite of LAC's save the class sizes. most emory applicants don't really even consider LAC's, so i think emory is somewhat off of your son's interest spectrum.</p>

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<p>From USNWR:</p>

<p>Pomona: 85% go on to advanced degree within 5 years
36% pre-professional (12% law, 12% med, 12% business school)
64% Arts and Sciences</p>

<p>Emory: 41% go on to advanced degree within 1 year (5 year not available)
54% pre-professional (20% law, 31% med, 3% business school)
46% Arts and Sciences</p>

<p>I would second the above poster's comments about Emory: It is what it is - A very good pre-professional school which is one of the best in the country at what it does. If you're looking for bohemian late-night conversations extolling the virtues of Kant, you're gonna look elsewhere.</p>

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<p>I would have to triple/third what the above posters said - you really will not find many artsy folks exploring the virtues of whatever, at Emory. Your impressions of it being very pre-professional and preppy are quite right. Socially, Emory is the polar opposite of a school like vassar/brown/oberlin.</p>

<p>Although finding non-jappy people will take some time, your son will be really happy once he finds non-superficial people to connect with.</p>

<p>"54% pre-professional (20% law, 31% med, 3% business school)
46% Arts and Sciences"</p>

<p>This is completely antithetical to some of yall's arguments that Emory students are all preprofessional. In fact, about half are. The other half are not pursuing a professional degree.</p>

<p>I'm not going to deny that Emory is not an artsy school, but they way yall describe it, Emory sounds anti-intellectual, which it is not. You will have discussions about politics, religion, Literature, philosophy, etc. outside of class, its just that students here are realistic about what the world demands of them in order to be successful. Let's face it, employment opportunities with a liberal arts degree are much less than with a professional degree. And you're forgetting, most preprofessional students are getting a liberal education, as well. </p>

<p>Also, elduque's assertion that "it's a pre-professional, non-artsy, career-focused, ridiculously cliquey and preppy school with a very superficial social feel" is maybe 1/3 accurate. If you want cliquey and preppy, check out Vanderbilt or Duke, and "superficial social feel" is completely nonsensical. I'm not sure exactly what that means.</p>

<p>Emory students are here to learn. Most of them have passions in and outside of the classroom. They also understand that the world doesn't function because of English majors. Nonetheless, many of them are anyway.</p>

<p>to quote a friend of mine that directly contradicts that last part:</p>

<p>(me: you realize you're throwing away like $300 every time you skip class?)
"yes but let's face it, you're not paying for an education, you're paying for your degree. so if you can skip class and still get A's then why would you go?"</p>

<p>also, saying emory isn't cliquey or preppy because duke and vandy are more so is completely fallacious, especially when the OP is interested in the likes of pomona and occidental.</p>

<p>i really, REALLY don't think someone interested in schools like that has any business applying to emory. and i don't know where dgebll got that statistic from but only 3% pre-business is laughably off. if 20% are pre-law there's AT LEAST 20% business (probably closer to 30%).</p>

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<p>wait, so like what types of people should apply to emory?</p>

<p>I'm really glad this thread was created. You bring up a very good point and pretty much everything you wrote in your perception of Emory is the truth. Emory is not very "artsy" at all, it's extremely pre-professional; however, I think dgebll brings up a very good point. Emory students are very intellectual people, but we know that our future lies in our ability to obtain a high paying job. I'm business/econ major, but I talk to my friends (nearly all of which are pre-law, pre-med or bba) about philosophy, string theory and other similarly esoteric topics all the time. I think that my education is meant to ensure my financial security later in life while my intellectual curiosity is a very high priority extracurricular interest. When I was looking at colleges I wanted a very liberal school with a bunch of hipster students. In a strange twist of fate I somehow ended up at Emory, and thank god I did. Most of the spoiled kids at those schools will not be able to get a career that will allow them to have the lifestyle they grew up with. I don't intend to sail on that ship.</p>

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<p>oh nevermind, i didn't see sarahsdad's post. sry dgebll. but yeah that number is still very misleading since most emory business students are actually getting their bba and then maybe go on to an mba like 2 or 3 years later.</p>

<p>I got the statistics from Sarahsdad, who post right before I did. I have no idea how valid they are, I was just saying that the argument was ridiculous based on the evidence that people were using. And yea, it's about 220/1250 per class in the business school. (Just under 20% of juniors and seniors).</p>

<p>And I agree, if you want a liberal arts school, don't come to Emory. I was just arguing that you have a very extreme view of Emory that I don't think is accurate.</p>

<p>I used Vandy and Duke as the comparison point. If you compared Emory to West Point, I'm sure it seems like there are a lot of cliques. I compared Emory to schools that most people consider cliquish, and I don't think there is much of a comparison.</p>