<p>Haha ^ agreed</p>
<p>26% of guys and 14% of girls have stolen from their friends in the last year?
that's terrible.
if you steal things from them, they're really not your friend.</p>
<p>What about a HIGH SCHOOL who catches an AP class cheating and doesn't do anything to the kids? At least 20 kids in an AP senior history class were caught right before early acceptances were coming out. School policy is that this is an automatic F...Gosh darn, nothing happened. These kids got into their dream schools, including ivies, and nothing was said.</p>
<p>My child was not in the class, nor was my child ever accused of cheating. It just fries my cookies that kids were protected by a school district that has to post great acceptances. I know that if this was a "regular" class the kids would have failed.</p>
<p>Sorry school policy is an F, and reason for F on the transcript and notificiation to the college of cheating.</p>
<p>I cheated on a test once in first grade. I looked at my spelling sheet because I forgot how to spell "December." LOL I have such vivid memories of that. I felt really guilty. </p>
<p>But really, I would say 100% of kids have cheated if you count sharing homework. I'll be honest I've shared homework with my friends and I guess because it is so prevalent at school I didn't even consider it cheating.. it just seems like all our homework is busy work anyway. I know it's a double standard because technically cheating is cheating, but I HATE people who cheat on actual tests and copy papers. At least homework doesn't affect your grade (at my school anyway), you just have to get it done and you get credit. Cheating on tests is just being lazy. It's really bad at my school because the teachers are wayyyy too laid-back. I see kids cheating all the time. Especially on quizzes and they basically just use cheat sheets for the most part. Papers are plagarized all the time and rarely does anyone get caught at my school. Teachers don't check and frankly, I don't think they care. They're lazy as well.</p>
<p>I think cheating is so stupid. The occasional homework assignment answer is fine (though I have an obnoxiously guilty conscience and can't do it), but cheating on tests annoys me. People go to such lengths just to take your answer that you actually studied for....it just makes me mad. No, you don't need to know Bio later in life, but that doesn't give you the right to cheat. If Bio is so unimportant, get the bad grade you deserve and move on. The problem is that people want to be perfect in every possible way and they can't acknowledge when they've been overstretched.</p>
<p>Whatever people want to do is up to them. I don't copy because I need to do the homework or I won't understand the material, annd I like to be proud of what I do. I think the real problem is the pressure on kids to get grades rather than learn some stuff and to appreciate work ethic. Maybe someone can cheat through high school, MAYBE someone can cheat through college, but I doubt anyone can cheat when they begin to have legitimate responsibilities.</p>
<p>ellebud-I couldn't stop laughing when I read "fries my cookies"</p>
<p>Thank you. :)</p>
<p>I feel sorry for the people who feel like they HAVE to get good grades and will forfeit their personal integrity and moral code by cheating to get them. That's when you know you take academics way too seriously. </p>
<p>Homework is a lot less of a big deal than something like a test or a paper. What I really don't get is plaigiarism. Even 36% is a lot. It seems like it's so easy to get caught plaigiarizing from the Internet. And there's such a zero-tolerance policy against it.. Just write your own flipping paper.</p>
<p>Wow... This is pretty unthinkable. King818, your post implies that you are morally bankrupt, and foolish to boot. I pity you; perhaps someday you'll understand why.</p>
<p>At geek_son's school, the penalty for cheating is expulsion. However, most cheaters' parents are given the opportunity to withdraw them on the spot instead. His class "lost" five or six cheaters in freshman year; they weren't missed and they were quickly replaced. This attitude carries into sports, too -- all the teams play strictly by the rules, regardless of what the other teams do, and intentional displays of bad sportsmanship will get you kicked off the team.</p>
<p>At the state university where I teach, and particularly in my department, plagiarism (one form of cheating) is treated almost as harshly. One incident /can/ be pursued to removal from the program, or even expulsion. More typically, that happens on the second incident. International (Asian) students in particular seem to have trouble adjusting to the concepts of original work and proper citations, so on the first offense we sometimes give them a strong warning and a note in the file. If they do it again after the warning, though, they're outta there.</p>
<p>It's serious stuff, and it's more serious in college. And even more so after graduation.</p>
<p>Not surprised about stealing, but cheating is wayy up there in our school. I agree about plagiarism though- I can understand getting -some- sentences the same in research papers [the ones that are basically all facts], but whole paragraphs/essays is a little like- if it's too easy, you'll probably get caught. I remember my teacher told us about a student who literally copied a couple paragraphs from a site and using turnitin, she found it and flipped back and forth, showing the kid... who still denied it.</p>
<p>"What I really don't get is plaigiarism. Even 36% is a lot. It seems like it's so easy to get caught plaigiarizing from the Internet. And there's such a zero-tolerance policy against it.. Just write your own flipping paper."</p>
<p>I bet if it there were no way to track plagiarism (purely theoretically), then even these holier than thou "I never break the honor code and if you do, your pathetic" tools would be plagiarizing once in a while as well. </p>
<p>The issue here is that high schools need to improve at enforcing these rules. Because if people can cheat, then will. Some people wont, but in ruleless high school, most will. So how are you going to stop cheating? </p>
<p>Moral high horse lectures dont meant a flying fck to your average HS student. Sure, some people adhere to strict codes, some people are moved by their high school ethics class. But if you really want to eliminate this problem, you have got be be smarter than the students. Teachers need to take the time to design HW, tests, papers, etc, that cannot be plagiarized, or if you got your answers from cramster or sparknotes, you wiill fail. Don't use the same dumb MC exams every year - take them time to devise a diverse unique test for your students and keep it locked up until its time. </p>
<p>Teachers have got to acknowledge that indeed students are twats and take the time to set up an environment where it is learn and pass, or dont learn/cheat and fail</p>
<p>The plagiarism stat surprises me too, in a bad way. I personally have copied homework when I forgot to do it, but I honestly don't cheat on tests, I have only done that once on one multiple choice question. Plagiarism on papers and stealing ideas is just disgusting to me, and in my opinion if you do it in high school you don't deserve to go to college.</p>
<p>My earliest memory of cheating was in probably first or second grade when we did those 'mad minutes' for math. We had to finish a certain of multiplication problems in under a minute. I was really young and really, REALLY bad a math. The teacher made us redo them again and again until everyone got 100%. After we did it three extra times for me (I was the only one left not completing them) I just went ahead and cheated on the 'test'. I don't regret it because it was really embarrassing.</p>
<p>Other than that I'm usually good about tests. I haven't had any 'outside help' since my freshman year. My math teacher encouraged the class to program formulas into our calculators for the test. =/ It wasn't even ignoring then, it was encouraging.</p>
<p>I know tons of people who copy homework and a few who frequently cheat on test, but I can't think of a single person who has plagiarized a paper. I think that's where most students draw the line.</p>
<p>I have memories of, it must have been during middle school, knowing the answer to all the problems, looking towards other people to see how far they had gotten on the test to make sure I was okay timewise, accidentally seeing the answer to a problem, and putting a different answer (that I knew was wrong) because I felt so guilty about it...</p>
<p>Which is interesting, because now I really don't care (I don't cheat because I don't need to but I really wouldn't feel guilty if I did, for reasons that are complicated (I have weird morals)</p>
<p>I guess I'd have to say I cheated. I sometimes peek at other people's test answers but I'd swear up and down in front of my mother, it's usually because I want to know what other people are putting down, to check their answers. I rarely change my own. I let people cheat off of me. I'm strict with my friends, I always say no, but it's hard to say that when it's just an acquaintance.
But the robbery, esp. from friends is really disturbing. Plagiarism is pretty bad too. Sometimes though I actually think that cheating/copying are a little bit better than doing nothing, because at least it means students care enough to risk their academic reputation for a grade.</p>
<p>The only thing dumber than someone who plagarizes is the "intelligent" person who gave the plagarizer the paper in the first place. It just shows a complete lack of common sense and integrity. This happened to the Valedictorian at my school, in AP US history. but all he got was an F and a slap on the wrist. Yet, he's still valedictorian, so I suppose he managed to pick his grade up.</p>
<p>But, cheating doesn't really bother me. Most of the time, at lower level classes, kids try to cheat off of people that are just as unlikely to have the correct answeres as they themselves are. But people who cheat their way up to top, that bothers me. This girl in my school would not only cheat but BRAG about how she cheated the entire year in AP Chem because she didnt understand anything. Ridiculous!</p>
<p>it's late so I'm just going to reply quickly, not read the responses.</p>
<p>they said the exams were anonymous and given in class. I was given a very similar sort of survey. it asked about things like drug use and stuff like that. TONS of my fellow students CLAIMED to have given false, exaggerated answers. I don't know why they did that. I was in an honors class of people who did sometimes cheat on exams, so perhaps this seemed like a great opportunity to lie with no penalty? also, there was light chatter during the time we were filling the thing out, and the teacher did not prevent it.</p>
<p>then and there I decided that these self-reported statistics from teens should be received with at least some healthy skepticism.</p>
<p>"cheating on these assignments isn't going to hinder you because, well, you don't need to know this stuff. knowing us history won't help you in college, knowing biology won't, etc. unless you are a major in that field."</p>
<p>Uh, King818, you ever heard of "general education requirements?"</p>
<p>Apparently not.</p>
<p>What a morally bankrupt and ignorant attitude.</p>
<p>"these holier than thou "I never break the honor code and if you do, your pathetic" tools"</p>
<p>Good grief. Do you really want the professionals who serve you to have cheated their way into their positions?</p>
<p>Our exams in engineering school were almost all open book, making most cheating methods impossible.</p>
<p>My dad loves to tell the story of his HS Physics teacher, who used the "Rainey Honor Method". Prior to a test he would arrange the students so that no one could see another's paper - kids sitting at angles to each other, etc.</p>