<p>Hi, I'm a junior in high school who's looking to go to Moorpark College and transfer to UCLA as a Linguistics and Computer Science major in one year. I have a few questions...</p>
<p>At the moment I'm taking three AP classes: AP Biology, AP US History, and English 11 AP.</p>
<p>Will English 11 AP satisfy an IGETC requirement? Is there any point in taking English 11 AP if English 12 AP satisfies the same requirement?</p>
<p>Next year I plan to take four AP classes: AP Physics, AP Government/Economics, English 12 AP, and Calculus AP. </p>
<p>How many credits are transferred from taking these AP classes?</p>
<p>Does the class "Government/Economics AP" satisfy two requirements in IGETC or just one?</p>
<p>Over this summer and next summer I plan to take courses at Moorpark College to get some IGETC requirements and major prerequisites out of the way.</p>
<p>Here are the transfer prerequisites for the Linguistics and Computer Science major at UCLA:
-one introduction to linguistics course
-two calculus courses
-one symbolic logic course
-four computer programming courses
-two years of one foreign language or one year in each of two foreign languages
-one discrete structures course is recommended</p>
<p>My major question is do you think I will be able to transfer in one year with my current setup? Mind you, I need to complete IGETC, the major prerequisites, and meet the 60 semester units minimum for transfer. Possible?</p>
<p>I currently go to Moorpark College also. I want to go to UCLA also; I just applied as Math/Econ. I may switch to Mathematics of Computation if I get in though, because I have a lot of CS done.</p>
<p>I am assuming you’ll get at least a 3 on each of the APs for the following.</p>
<p>Note that APs count for IGETC which counts for GE. If you went straight to a UC, APs don’t count toward GE and some don’t even give course equivalency. Staying 1 year at Moorpark is a good choice.</p>
<p>AP Biology - IGETC 5B w/ Lab</p>
<p>AP US History - IGETC 3B or 4F [can only use in one area]</p>
<p>English 11 AP - IGETC 1A. This is Engl M01A at Moorpark. </p>
<p>AP Physics - Doesn’t matter which test you take, IGETC 5A w/ lab</p>
<p>AP Government/Economics - This is probably 1/2 a semester of AP gov and 1/2 a semester of Economics H. You’re going to take 1 AP test - US Gov’t and pol. This will count for IGETC 4H.</p>
<p>English 12 AP - Kind of pointless to take this, but it counts for either IGETC 1A or 3B. I suggest you take English 12CP and English M01C (crit thinking) at the same time during your senior year. I’ve taken M01A and M01C at Moorpark and it’s easy. Way easier than AP english. If you like literature then take M01B. It’s only 1 semester long so you’d just be taking 1.5 years of English in 1 year, but would be done for the rest of your life.</p>
<p>Calculus AP
Instead of taking Calculus AP, I recommend taking Calculus at Moorpark.
Math 25A and Math 25B. You can take these any time starting this summer assuming you’ve completed Trig/Precalc. </p>
<p>Otherwise, you’ll need to get a 5 on the AB test or a 4 on the BC test for it to count for Calc I at UCLA.</p>
<p>You need a 5 on the BC test to count for Calc I and II at UCLA.</p>
They canceled this class due to budget cuts, which was kind of annoying. Luckily, it will be back Spring 2011 according to the Department Chair.</p>
<p>
I’m not sure if high school counts or not, so someone else has to answer this one.</p>
<p>
UCLA Wants these, according to their website:
Computer Science 31, 32, 33
At Moorpark You’d need to take:
CS M10A
CS M10B
CS M20
CS M30
16 units and the teachers suck. CS M20 or M30 may or may not be offered.</p>
<p>At Pierce College, you could take:
[sem 1]
CS 539
[sem 2]
CS 540
CS 536
CS 516</p>
<p>12 Units and the teachers are great. I go to Pierce just for my CS classes and Moorpark everything else.</p>
<p>
I think so. I suggest you start ASAP taking classes dual enrollment. If you take 6-9 this summer, 6-9 next fall, 6-9 next spring, and 6-9 the summer after senior year,
you’ll start Moorpark College with 45-56 semester units including APs (Ballpark estimate; all but Lit AP and Calc AP). </p>
<p>Don’t you think it would be a good idea to take English 12 AP to satisfy a 3B requirement and have APUSH satisfy a 4F requirement? Seems like that would be the most efficient use of my time and effort.</p>
<p>I’m a bit confused about AP credits transferring from high school to Moorpark to UCLA. If, hypothetically, I take Calc AP in my senior year of high school and get a 3 on the AP test, the 3 will satisfy the IGETC math requirement but then won’t transfer to UCLA because they require a 4 or 5? That doesn’t make sense.</p>
<p>I see no reason why high school foreign language classes wouldn’t satisfy the major prerequisite. By the end of high school I will have completed Spanish 3 and I plan to continue my studies at Moorpark up to Spanish 5.</p>
<p>Also, I’m pretty opposed to taking classes at Moorpark in the Fall/Spring, especially when I already have a large enough workload from AP classes.</p>
<p>I chose this major mainly because I love studying language (not just foreign languages, but the science behind it). Computer science fills in the practicality issue and there seems to be a pretty good job market in the field of computational linguistics, not to mention it pays pretty well too. </p>
<p>Your spanish classes that you say you will take at Moorpark will satisfy 3B alone.
But you still have to take a 3A class to finish off Area 3. </p>
<p>Hence, that 2 semester long English 12AP class won’t matter for 3B or 1A because you’ll have those done anyway. All it will do is give you an extra 8 quarter units which you’ll end up not needing. </p>
<p>Alternatively, you can finish English 1C and an Area 3A class your senior year. Area 3A has a lot of “easy A” classes. Check [Moorpark</a> College - California - RateMyProfessors.com](<a href=“http://ratemyprofessors.com/SelectTeacher.jsp?sid=1509]Moorpark”>http://ratemyprofessors.com/SelectTeacher.jsp?sid=1509)
Engl 1C shouldn’t be a problem if you put in effort to write a couple essays. All are take-home (I haven’t had or heard of a teacher who makes you write essays in class here). In my English 1C we had a total of 10 pages to write (not including Works Cited or other small assignments), double spaced, times new roman pt 12</p>
<p>
For your major you need Calc I and Calc II
Mathematics
Calculus AB/AB subscore of BC exam<br>
3-4 MATH Calculus 4.0 QR
5 MATH 31A 4.0 QR</p>
<ul>
<li>Calculus BC<br>
3 MATH Calculus 8.0 QR
4 MATH 31A / Calculus 8.0 QR
5 MATH 31A and 31B 8.0 QR</li>
</ul>
<p>It still counts for units and satisfying IGETC, but not as course equivalency. </p>
<p>Unless you get the score that UCLA wants on the AP test for course equivalency, you’ll have to retake Calculus at Moorpark.</p>
<p>So let’s say you take Calc AB. You get a 5, then you take Math 25B at Moorpark. You get anything other than a 5, you need to take Math 25A then Math 25B.</p>
<p>Let’s say you take Calc BC.
You get a 3. Then you need to take Math 25A and Math 25B at Moorpark
You get a 4. Then you need to take Math 25B at Moorpark
You get a 5. Then you are done, and need not take any math at Moorpark.</p>
<p>I only wish that I had confidence enough in my math abilities to be able to say that I would get a 5 on the Calc BC test.</p>
<p>All this being said, I’d really like to make a sample list of courses to take from now up until transferring to UCLA. If you (or anyone else) could help me with that, it would be a huge help.</p>
<p>So, from the top:</p>
<p>Junior Year
AP Bio
Spanish 2 CP
Pre-Calc CP
APUSH
Philosophy CP
English 11 AP</p>
<p>Summer Afterwards @ Moorpark
???</p>
<p>Senior Year
AP Physics
Spanish 3 CP
AP Gov/Econ
English 11 CP
?
?</p>
<p>Summer Afterwards @ Moorpark
???</p>
<p>First Semester @ Moorpark
Spanish 4
???</p>
<p>Second Semester @ Moorpark
Spanish 5
???</p>
<p>Seems like there are a lot of options for organizing all my classes. I want the most efficient one!</p>
<p>completion of the sixth term in one foreign language or the third term in each of two foreign languages. This is well covered by High school Spanish </p>
<p>Mathematics 61 is recommended. – Math 21</p>
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<p>Junior Year
AP Bio
Spanish 2 CP
Pre-Calc CP
APUSH
Philosophy CP
English 11 AP</p>
<p>Summer Afterwards @ Moorpark
SOC M01 or Psy M01 are easy and count toward Area 4. Take what interests you more. 3 units
English M01C – 1 semester – 3 units
Any 3A class. Take on you’re interested in. I took Art M12. 3 units Total: 9 units</p>
<p>if you want a lighter load, move 1 or 2 of these classes to senior year with dual enrollment.</p>
<p>Senior Year
AP Physics
Spanish 3 CP
AP Gov/Econ
English 11 CP
AP Computer Science. This will give you a nice intro to CS with Java. You don’t even need to take the AP test for this one if you don’t want to, it won’t count for much. (1.3 semester units if you pass…) only advantage if you take and pass it is UCLA can see you have 1 year of Java done, on top of the other classes you’ll take.
Take 5 classes, get out at lunch if you start early</p>
<p>When you graduate, IGETC Area 1, 3, 4, 5, 6 is complete</p>
<p>Summer Afterwards @ Moorpark
Math 25A – Calc I - 5 units Total: 5 units</p>
<p>First Semester @ Moorpark
Spanish M03 - Intermediate Spanish I – 5 Units
Math 25B – Calc II – 5 units
[Pierce College] Co Sci 539 – 3 Units
Phil M9 – 3 units Total: 16 units</p>
<p>Second Semester @ Moorpark
Spanish M04 - Intermediate Spanish II – 5 units
[Pierce College] Co Sci 516 – 3 units
[Pierce College] Co Sci 540 – 3 units
[Pierce College] Co Sci 536 – 3 units
Math 21 – Discrete math - 3 units Total: 17 units</p>
<p>Unfortunately my high school doesn’t offer AP Computer Science, so I guess I’ll substitute it with some other class I’m interested in. Japanese I, perhaps?</p>
<p>Otherwise that list looks fantastic. It allows for some flexibility if I decide to change majors before I enroll full-time at Moorpark too. Awesome.</p>
<p>Together, all my AP classes give me 16 credits. The classes I will take at Moorpark give me 47 credits. 47 +16 = 63 credits. Perfect.</p>
<p>Pierce doesn’t check for pre-reqs, so you could technically jump right into 539. I jumped into 539 just because I had taken Java AP in HS. But I think 575 might be important to take if you have no knowledge of programming languages yet.</p>
<p>I know you wouldn’t prefer this, but I suggest taking CS 575 next Fall as a senior.</p>
<p>After gaining some further knowledge about my AP classes and credits, it looks like my schedule will be more like this:</p>
<p>Junior Year
AP Bio - 5.3 units
Spanish 2 CP
Pre-Calc CP
APUSH - 5.3 units
Philosophy CP
English 11 AP - 5.3 units</p>
<p>Total: 15.9 Units</p>
<p>Summer Afterwards @ Moorpark
English M01C – 1 semester – 3 units
Any 3A class. Take on you’re interested in. I took Art M12. 3 units</p>
<p>Total: 6 units</p>
<p>Senior Year
AP Physics - 5.3 units
Spanish 3 CP AP Gov/AP Econ - 2.6 units each (I will be taking both AP tests, so I won’t need to take an Area 4 class the preceding summer)
No English class. I don’t see the point of taking one. It isn’t required for High School graduation and it doesn’t give me college credits, so it’s out.
[Pierce College] Co-Sci 575 - 3 units (Dual-enrollment)
And one more year-long class to meet the high school unit requirement for graduation. I have yet to decide on which class this will be.</p>
<p>Total: 13.5 Units</p>
<p>When I graduate, IGETC Area 1, 3, 4, 5, 6 is complete</p>
<p>Summer Afterwards @ Moorpark
Math 25A – Calc I - 5 units</p>
<p>Total: 5 units</p>
<p>First Semester @ Moorpark
Spanish M03 - Intermediate Spanish I – 5 Units
Math 25B – Calc II – 5 units
[Pierce College] Co Sci 539 – 3 Units
Phil M9 – 3 units</p>
<p>Total: 16 units</p>
<p>Second Semester @ Moorpark
Spanish M04 - Intermediate Spanish II – 5 units
[Pierce College] Co Sci 516 – 3 units
[Pierce College] Co Sci 540 – 3 units
[Pierce College] Co Sci 536 – 3 units
Math 21 – Discrete math - 3 units Total: 17 units</p>
<p>Grand Total Credits: 73.4</p>
<p>And the minimum required for transfer is 60. I can’t think of any way to reduce my total credits because all the classes I’ll be taking serve a purpose except Intermediate Spanish I and II. And actually, isn’t my Spanish 3 CP class the equivalent of Intermediate Spanish I? So I could cut out Int Spanish I for a total of 68.4 units, and further cut out Int Spanish II for a total of 63.4 units If I so chose. I really do enjoy learning Spanish, but I just don’t want to overload myself during these semesters.</p>
<p>Sorry for the double post, but if I took a semester long C++ Programming course offered by my high school during my senior year, would that be a good enough substitute for Co Sci 575?</p>
<p>Are you sure that you’ll be taking AP Econ? If so, which one: micro or macro? I just want to double check it’s not Econ H.</p>
<p>Are you sure that you don’t need another English class to graduate? I thought the state of CA required 40 HS credits of English (10 credits/year)</p>
<p>What does the C++ course cover at your school? (refer to HS catalog)</p>
<p>
Well, the pre-req for Spanish M02 is 2 years of HS Spanish or Span M01
the pre-req for Spanish M03 is 3 years of HS spanish or span M02.</p>
<p>That’s why I listed Spanish M03 as the class you should take. </p>
<p>Note on above post: Pierce DOES check for pre-reqs but only for certain courses (math, english, and a few more). It DOES NOT check for pre-reqs for Co Sci classes. I don’t want to confuse anyone who reads that.</p>
<p>Let me do another overview of the IGETC because when we combine AP with CCC to satisfy it, it may get a little confusing. I’m basing this on your current plan above:</p>
<p>Area 1 {English comp}
Group A: AP English Language
Group B: English M01C [Su 10]
Group C: Don’t need, this is CSU only</p>
<p>Area 2 {Math course}
Math M25A [ Su 11]</p>
<p>Area 3 {3 courses, at least 1 from arts and 1 from humanities}
-Arts: 3A class [Su 10]
-Humanities: APUSH
-Humanities: Spanish M03 or M04 taken at Moorpark [F 10 or S 11]</p>
<p>Area 4 { at least 3 courses from at least 2 disciplines}
-Political Science: AP Gov
-Econ: AP Macroeconomics
-Econ: AP Microeconomics</p>
<p>Area 5 { 1 course from each area, with at least 1 lab}
Physical Science: Physics (B or C) AP - counts for this + lab credit
Biological Science: Bio AP - counts for this + lab credit</p>
<p>Area 6{LOTE}
Completed in HS</p>
<p>Note that this could be another option if you wish: Area 3 {3 courses, at least 1 from arts and 1 from humanities}
-Arts: 3A class [Su 10]
-Humanities: Spanish M03 [F 10]
-Humanities: Spanish M04 [S 11]</p>
<p>Area 4 { at least 3 courses from at least 2 disciplines}
-Political Science: AP Gov
-Econ: AP Micro or Macro
-History: APUSH</p>
<p>I’m absolutely positive it is AP Econ, not H Econ. I can choose between micro or macro, and I think I’ll go with micro because I’m more interested in it.</p>
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<p>CA requires 3 years of English to graduate with a high school diploma.</p>
<p>Seems a bit juvenile, to be honest. What do you think?</p>
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<p>This is the plan I intend to go with, but I was under the impression that high school foreign language classes could be used to satisfy IGETC area 3B. That is why I suggested dropping Spanish M03 and M04 because my high school Spanish classes would fulfill 3B. Is this not the case?</p>
I see. I was just thinking how the UC requires 4 years, but this doesn’t apply to transfer students.</p>
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<p>I read over all the projects you’ll be doing. </p>
<p>From the course outline, it looks like that would prepare you enough for CS 539. It even uses the same compiler as we use at Pierce. It serves the purpose as a good starting class, just like CS 575.</p>
<p>CS 539, for the first half, will further refresh most of the topics (projects 1-5) you learned and then in the second half will introduce new ones. (Except, the language is C)</p>
<p>575 = C++
539 = C
540 = C++
536 = C++ (data structures)
516 = Assembly I think. I’m taking this next semester.</p>
<p>
No. HS LOTE classes only count for Area 6.</p>
<p>AP Spanish Language (and literature, I think) would count for Area 3B, but not any class.</p>
<p>Ah. So then why did you say that Area 3 was complete after high school graduation in post #6?</p>
<p>So this looks to be like the final schedule:</p>
<p>Junior Year
AP Bio - 5.3 units
Spanish 2 CP
Pre-Calc CP
APUSH - 5.3 units
Philosophy CP
English 11 AP - 5.3 units</p>
<p>Total: 15.9 Units</p>
<p>Summer Afterwards @ Moorpark
English M01C 1 semester 3 units
Any 3A class -3 units</p>
<p>Total: 6 units</p>
<p>Senior Year
AP Physics - 5.3 units
Spanish 3 CP
AP Gov/AP MicroEcon - 7.4 units
Personal Finance/C++ Programming</p>
<p>Total: 12.7 Units</p>
<p>When I graduate, IGETC Area 1, 4, 5, 6 is complete</p>
<p>Summer Afterwards @ Moorpark
Math 25A Calc I - 5 units</p>
<p>Total: 5 units</p>
<p>First Semester @ Moorpark
Spanish M03 - Intermediate Spanish I 5 Units
Math 25B Calc II 5 units
[Pierce College] Co Sci 539 3 Units
Phil M9 3 units</p>
<p>Total: 16 units</p>
<p>Second Semester @ Moorpark
Spanish M04 - Intermediate Spanish II 5 units
[Pierce College] Co Sci 516 3 units
[Pierce College] Co Sci 540 3 units
[Pierce College] Co Sci 536 3 units
Math 21 Discrete math - 3 units
Total: 17 units</p>
<p>Grand Total Credits: 72.6</p>
<p>I might decide to switch around a couple classes to more evenly distribute the workload, but other than that this schedule looks pretty solid.</p>
<p>Still a shame that I have to take so many units. I see no way around that.</p>
<p>Do you have any other comments or suggestions, rpicton?</p>
<p>70 is a good amount of units to have, and hey, you’re a 1 year transfer right? In terms of workload - your schedule should be very doable. </p>
<p>I’ll have 90 semester units by the time I transfer. [I’m 1 year also, but have APs]</p>
<p>And up to you, but you’re senior year seems a little light. Perhaps You could take Math 25A/Math 25B. Or at least Math 25A. It will help with Physics a little.</p>
<p>Any leeway might help in case you don’t pass an AP. I don’t think that will be a problem though. You just need a 3 on each.</p>