<p>Aren't these scores outdated by 1 year? I think collegeboard is using 2005 numbers.</p>
<p>wow that average 32 for notre dame suprised me.</p>
<p>and is that washington university the one in st. louis?</p>
<p>UCLA anyone?</p>
<p>"UCLA anyone?"</p>
<p>The UCs disn't give writing scores yet.</p>
<p>"Aren't these scores outdated by 1 year? I think collegeboard is using 2005 numbers."</p>
<p>The averages in this thread are the most current to date.</p>
<p>uconn here i come!</p>
<p>i would like to make a little correction. Apparently CB screwed up its formula this year and added Oxford College to Emory College and counted as one school. Oxford is a small branch of Emory University, and it has lower stats average. Not that it's a bad thing, but the fact is the numbers are lower compared to Emory College. When people speak of Emory University, they generally refer to Emory College and other branches excluding the Oxford branch. So the last time i checked, ACT range is still 29-33, making it an ACT average of 31, which was last year's stat(we don't know this years because the college website hasn't released it, and CB messed this years up). Same goes for the SAT average, but i won't go into the details, you get the idea. Emory is not hugely popular on this site, so i doubt anyone would care for the truth. But i felt like correcting it cause i'm going there next year!</p>
<p>"wow that average 32 for notre dame suprised me."</p>
<p>More people turn in the ACT for University of Notre Dame. It is a Midwestern school, after all. I'm not sure how what would translate to a higher ACT except that the ACT must be higher than so many other people turning in the ACT. In comparison in other schools where there is a balanced mix, the ACT and SAT are a little different and judged differently.</p>
<p>And now, the schools with their average ACT scores in order!</p>
<p>Princeton - 32
Pomona - 32
Notre Dame - 32
Stanford - 31
Swarthmore -31
UPenn - 31
Tufts - 31
Columbia - 31
Vassar - 30
Wesleyan - 30
Johns Hopkins - 30
Barnard - 30
Reed College - 30
USC - 30
Carnegie Mellon - 30
Vanderbilt - 30
Macalester - 30
Colby - 29
Emory - 29
University of Virginia - 29
University of Rochester - 29
Case Western - 29
NYU - 29
Bryn Mawr - 29
Tulane - 29
Bucknell - 29
Villanova - 29
University of Miami - 29
Georgia Tech - 28
University of North Carolina Chapel Hill - 28
American University - 28
Mount Holyoke - 28
Smith College - 27
Boston University - 27
Lafayette - 27
Skidmore - 27
Babson - 27
DePauw - 27
University of Washington - 27
University of Texas Austin - 27
University of Delaware - 26</p>
<p>Your information about the ACT score for the class of 2010 at Johns Hopkins is incorrect. The correct number is 32 (30-34-mid 50%)Go the Hopkins website, then to undergraduate admissions, then to "fast facts." You will see that your data is not right.
Also, the correct score for the SATs is 2135 (1990-2280-mid 50%)
Be aware, however, that these scores are for the current class. The scores for the next (your class) may exceed these, since Hopkins received more than 14,800 applications for a class of approximately 1,000.
Remember, Hopkins has a peer assessment rank of 4.6. Very few schools are as respected, academically.</p>
<p>again, this info, at least concerning Hopkins, is wrong. The correct number for the ACT is 32 (30-34). This is for the class of 2010.</p>
<p>Incorrect...The correct SAT score for Hopkins for the class of 2010 would be 2135 (1990-2280). Look on their website at "fast facts" on the undergraduate admissions page.</p>
<p>haha...i just replied once to defend Emory average ACT and SAT score. And you have 3. Yea.....CB is really bad. Last year they put Duke's SAT due date deadline as April. I was like what.....?</p>
<p>I have noticd that people have said that the Johns Hopkins SAT range is wrong. I tend to trust the CB more than the school's website stats because the school probably inflates its numbers to make it seem a bit better than it might be. </p>
<p>Take NYU for example:</p>
<p>CB: 1210 - 1410
NYU Website: 1310 - 1440
AOL: 1331 average
Princeton Review: 1306 average</p>
<p>As you can see, the numbers from NYU's website conflict with the numbers given by 3 other sources. The college board numbers are the most objective IMO, so I used them.</p>
<p>I don't see how I got a scholarship to NYU with a 1350 SAT if that's only in the 40% for the school, as it would be according to NYU's SAT range.</p>
<p>To speak for NYU specifically:</p>
<p>At NYU, scholarships are based on financial aid as well as academic performance in high school (Check NYU's website for confirmation on this fact.) Some people with better numbers that others end up getting lower financial aid because their Fafsa numbers are different. However, there are merit based scholarships though (If you're wondering, PM me with the name and I'll tell you what kind it is.)</p>
<p>Check the NYU website to see which school NYU is referring to. The NYU website range seems appropriate for the College of Arts and Sciences, in which the SAT scores are normally higher than for other schools at the college that rely more on auditions and portfolios to make their decisions (i.e. Tisch School of the Arts). Contrastingly, a school like the Stern school of Business has high SAT scores than the College of Arts and Sciences.</p>
<p>Also, keep in mind that NYU (and all other schools for that matter) tend to accept people based on factors that are not necessarily based on applications. According to a statement by the Dean of the College of Arts and Sciences: "NYU receives so many applications that they don't just accept people who can do the work." In other words, they do not do their acceptances solely based on SAT scores and base it on any number of factors including extra curriculars, and location (you have a much better shot of getting into NYU from outside the New York Metro Area.)</p>
<p>Here is what Duke has on its website (keeping in mind that these are the average SAT scores of all students accepted not those who ultimately enroll.)</p>
<p>Also to let you know, I think at this point Duke only considers Writing to be like an SAT II.</p>
<p>Duke University
Arts and Sciences-2180 (M+V+W), 1465 (M+V)
Engineering-2225 (M+V+W), 1505 (M+V)</p>
<p>As for ACT scores
32 for Trinity and 33 for Pratt</p>
<p>EDIT
I found the 25/75th percentile scors elsewhere on their site for all admitted students to Duke and assuming a normal distribution, I have the following estimates.</p>
<p>Critical Reading: 730
Math: 745
Writing: 725</p>
<p>Composite (M+V): 1475
Composite (M+V+W) 2200</p>
<p>Ridiculous. Colleges do not intentionally mislead on their websites. Before applying, one should always check with the college or university concerning its stats. After all, they are the final arbiters of whom they accept or reject. Other sources are secondary, getting their info from, where do you think? The colleges or universities. It is just that these secondary sources sometimes make errors, or that the info is outdated. For example, when a student is graduating in 2007, and he/she relies on, let's say, U.S. News and World Report Data for ranking info, that student needs to be aware that the info reflects what the numbers were for the kids who graduated and entered in 2005. Optimally, a student would want the most updated info, which, in this case, would have been the 2006 info. To get the most updated info about stats, therefore, the student should check out the most recent stats on the college's website, or call the admissions office for those numbers. If you are uncertain about whom to believe, a simple call to the admissions office would clear up any question.</p>
<p>Also, the information that I provided concerning Hopkins is correct. Not only did I check the stats for 2006 on their websites..."undergraduate admissions"/"fast facts," but I also called the admissions office and asked, without making reference to the info on their website.</p>
<p>"At NYU, scholarships are based on financial aid as well as academic performance in high school (Check NYU's website for confirmation on this fact.) Some people with better numbers that others end up getting lower financial aid because their Fafsa numbers are different. However, there are merit based scholarships though (If you're wondering, PM me with the name and I'll tell you what kind it is.)"</p>
<p>I didn't fill out a FAFSA. My scholarship award was largely based on academics and service. Despite my good service record, there is no way that I would have gotten a 20K per year scholarship to NYU w/a 1350 SAT if the SAT range is 1310 - 1440. I'm not a URM or legacy either and I live in NYC. I had no "hooks" going for me.</p>
<p>"Check the NYU website to see which school NYU is referring to. The NYU website range seems appropriate for the College of Arts and Sciences, in which the SAT scores are normally higher than for other schools at the college that rely more on auditions and portfolios to make their decisions (i.e. Tisch School of the Arts). Contrastingly, a school like the Stern school of Business has high SAT scores than the College of Arts and Sciences."</p>
<p>The 1310 - 1440 range is for the entire class of 2010, not for a specific school.</p>
<p>"Ridiculous. Colleges do not intentionally mislead on their websites."</p>
<p>IMO, many college websites are pretty bad. Most of them try and show what a great school Blankity Blank University is without answering a lot of your questions. Also, when a college gives its SAT range on its website, the college makes it hard for you to know </p>
<p>"Optimally, a student would want the most updated info, which, in this case, would have been the 2006 info."</p>
<p>The CB numbers were recently updated with Writing Scores, so it must have compiled the most recent SAT data. The scores at many colleges actually dropped a bit since the new SAT was a bit harder. NYU went from 1240-1420 to 1210-1410. These numbers are the numbers for the first year students, NOT accepted students. The Johns Hopkins numbers you provided may have been for accepted students, which are usually higher since many of the stronger accepted applicants might choose to go to schools like HYPS.</p>
<p>It really is not my mission to convince you to go to the primary source for your info. But for all of you others, who want the correct info, go directly to the admissions pages on the various websites, or better yet, call the admissions offices for the most updated scores. The College Board, and other secondary sources, are not always accurate. One should not make a decision whether or not to apply to a school based on any facts and figures other than those that come directly from admissions offices. Putting full faith in these types of sources would be akin to believing everything you read in a history book, or newspaper. This is exactly why highschools now encourage analyzing historical events by using original documents. Don't make one of the most important decisions of your lives without going to the original source...the college or university of choice. And, if you are not going to believe what the college admissions office has to say, why apply there, anyway? You should have faith in your potential institution of higher learning.</p>
<p>Also, if you are looking to be accepted to a particular college or university, the numbers you would be interested in are those that reflect the scores of the admitted students. Right? If you are not sure of this answer, check it out with your high school guidance counselor.</p>
<p>"Also, if you are looking to be accepted to a particular college or university, the numbers you would be interested in are those that reflect the scores of the admitted students. Right?"</p>
<p>Not necessairly. Some students would rather know the numbers for students in the school, not students who were accepted because many accepted students choose to attend different colleges. Believe it or not, not everyone who gets into Harvard goes there. The same is true of Johns Hopkins and every other college or university.</p>