<p>I agree with post #13 about texas schools. Thats exactly how i would have ranked them.</p>
<p>Washington State:</p>
<ol>
<li>University of Washington</li>
<li>Gonzaga University</li>
<li>Whitman College</li>
<li>Washington State University</li>
</ol>
<p>thats about it for selective colleges.</p>
<p>Cornish College in Seattle for art maybe?
Dale Chihuly's studio in Tacoma is probably also one of the top 5 places in the world to learn glassblowing. lol.</p>
<p>Are people from FL retarded? I have seen Rollins on only one list, and UCF is way too high on most people's lists (haven't you ever heard it nicknamed "You Can't Fail" or "Under Construction Forever?") Here is a better list:</p>
<p>1) UF
2) NCF
3) UM
4) Rollins
5) FSU</p>
<p>And maybe New College has a really good program, but it is way too young to be ranked ahead of UF right now. Hence the name "New" College. It could be in the future though!</p>
<p>fsu below rollins, um, ncf?</p>
<p>Washington D.C.:</p>
<ol>
<li>Georgetown</li>
<li>GW</li>
<li>Howard</li>
<li>Catholic</li>
<li>American (tie)</li>
<li>Trinity (tie)</li>
<li>Gallaudet</li>
</ol>
<p>^ On what plane of thinking?</p>
<p>Try...</p>
<ol>
<li>G-town</li>
<li>GW</li>
<li>American</li>
<li>Catholic</li>
<li>Howard</li>
<li>Trinity</li>
<li>Gallaudet</li>
</ol>
<p>Duffman28, I can't quibble w/ your choices too much, although I do think you have American rated too high (it would be below Howard in my book -- your comparing a run-of-the mill U w/ the most famous black U; so well known that a number of whites attend, too). Also, I think you also underestimate Trinity Coll. It doesn't get a lot of pub, but it's kind of like D.C.'s own 7-sisters college; on par, in my book, w/ Agnes Scott outside Atlanta -- it has a number of wealthy, famous alumnae, including House Minority Leader, Nancy Pelosi.</p>
<p>ramses88 wrote:
"1. University of Washington
2. Gonzaga University
3. Whitman College
4. Washington State University"</p>
<p>No way Gonzaga's better than Whitman.</p>
<p>I guess I will do indiana since no one else will... also this list takes into account overall environment, setting, and fun as well as academics.</p>
<ol>
<li>Notre Dame</li>
<li>DePauw/Indiana University</li>
<li>Purdue/Butler</li>
<li>Rose-Hulman(argue if u want)</li>
<li>Wabash</li>
<li>IUPUI</li>
<li>Indiana State</li>
</ol>
<ol>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>TCNJ</li>
<li>Rutgers </li>
<li>Stevens</li>
<li>Ramapo</li>
<li>NJIT</li>
<li>Rowan</li>
<li>Montclair </li>
<li>Drew </li>
<li>Seton Hall</li>
</ol>
<p>G-town: SAT Reasoning
Verbal: 640 - 750<br>
SAT Reasoning Math: 650 - 740</p>
<p>GW: SAT Reasoning Verbal: 600 - 700<br>
SAT Reasoning Math: 600 - 690</p>
<p>American U.: SAT Reasoning Verbal: 600 - 690<br>
SAT Reasoning Math: 580 - 670</p>
<p>Catholic: SAT Reasoning Verbal: 530 - 630<br>
SAT Reasoning Math: 510 - 620</p>
<p>Howard: SAT Reasoning Verbal: 460 - 680<br>
SAT Reasoning Math: 450 - 690</p>
<p>^ I would say those are pretty mysterious gaps...</p>
<p>Trinity: SAT Reasoning Verbal: 360 - 480<br>
SAT Reasoning Math: 330 - 480</p>
<p>^ Don't think I even need to say anything, this is clearly a lesser institution academically, it's just to big of a gap to be justified.</p>
<p>Basically, my point is, American is #85 in the nation, Howard is #93, therefore, you can argue that they are equal, but not better, especially due to Howard's very low overall SAT's, despite a solid top 25% or so.</p>
<p>Trinity, is in no way anywhere near American academically or in any other way, they are not even ranked (third-tier for Master's, unranked entirely for undergrad) and their SAT scores show a school that is clearly not in the same league as American.</p>
<p>Sorry, any objective evaluation will say that Indiana University-Bloomington is one of the best public universities in the nation, and therefore, it's the best in the state.</p>
<p>And, incidentally, Gonzaga is superior to Washington State University ONLY in basketball. WSU and U of Washington clearly have the greatest academic assets in the state. UW and WSU are not far apart in that regard either. Whitman College, as an LAC has some strengths in undergraduate education over the two main public universities. After that, all others, while not "inferior," are far down the line in what they can offer an undergraduate.</p>
<p>LakeWashington, that's terrible logic. By that mode of thinking, UIUC beats out Northwestern and UChicago. Not so.</p>
<p>"Sorry, any objective evaluation will say that Indiana University-Bloomington is one of the best public universities in the nation, and therefore, it's the best in the state."</p>
<p>umm.. it is listed as the best PUBLIC in the state. But how can it compete with notre dame??</p>
<p>Drummerdude, by what thinking did you pull that argument out of your hat? That's no rabbit, that's for sure. LOL.</p>
<p>I described UW and WSU quality as colleges overall and their quality is quite good by any objective standard. Don't extend a discussion into an example that properly doesn't fit it.</p>
<p>Myheart, do you have any familiarity with the academic offerings at Indiana University? IU has been strong and excellent for a long time.</p>
<p>"Myheart, do you have any familiarity with the academic offerings at Indiana University? IU has been strong and excellent for a long time."</p>
<p>umm.. yeah, I lived in indiana for the past 10 years and i will be going to college in indiana(Depauw). So I am very aware of what IU has to offer, I have been going there since middle school for various programs and things. I am also very well aware that IU has plenty of top programs, students, and professors. But the fact is that top to bottom Notre Dame is a "better" school. I personally would never attend notre dame because i absolutely hate the place and how conservative it is, but that doesnt change the fact that notre dame is a top school while IU is a good state school. How could i possibly justify putting IU ahead of notre dame when a kid with a 2.8 can get into IU and kids with 3.8 have a tough time getting into notre dame. Selectivity, prestige and rankings dont count for everything but they do count for something.</p>
<p>Here is USNWR data on Virginia schools under debate -- UVa, U Richmond, Va Tech, William & Mary, Washington and Lee. These rebut the view that Virginia Tech deserves to be listed above W&L. And they support W&L's claim to a #1 or 2 spot. Whatever your opinion may be, these are relevant facts: </p>
<p>% students w/ 700+ SATI scores:
UVA V35.6%, M40.9%
VT V5%, M11%
UR V24.3%, M28.4%
W&M V42.0%, M32.0%
W&L V43%, M48%
--W&L has the highest percentage of students with math and verbal SAT I scores above 700; VT has the lowest (a differential of at least 35 percentage points).</p>
<p>25%-75% SATI range:
UVA 1230-1430
UR 1250-1390
W&M 1250-1440
VT 1110-1290
W&L 1310-1450
-- W&L has the highest mid-50% range; VT has the lowest. W&L's 25th percentile average SAT I score is 20 points higher than VT's 75th percentile score.</p>
<p>% of students in top 10% of high school class:
UVA 84%
UR 60%
VT 36%
W&M 81%
W&L 86%
-- W&L has the highest percentage of top 10% high school grads; VT has the lowest (a differential of 50 percentage points). </p>
<p>Avg high school GPA:
UVA 4.0
UR not listed
VT 3.7
W&M 4.0
W&L 4.0
-- VT is the only reporting school with less than a 4.0 GPA average.</p>
<p>% of applicants who are accepted:
UVA 39%
UR 40%
VT 71%
W&M 35%
W&L 30%
-- W&L has the lowest acceptance rate; VT has the highest (a differential of 41 percentage points).</p>
<p>Yes, these are all fine schools that have served their students and alumni long and well. Each has strengths that are worthy of recognition. But let's inform ourselves with facts in lieu of trading provocative or ill-informed generalizations.</p>
<p>Problem is no one has heard of washinton and lee, haven't you read the facebook group "It's ok if you haven't heard of washington and Lee... you probably couldn't get in."</p>