<p>Ok im gonna give ut a go..
1. UF
2. Univ. of Miami
3. FSU
4. New college of Florida (liberal arts school)
5. FIT
6. Embry Riddle
7. USF
8. UNF
9. UCF
10. Florida Atlantic
Once again this isnt legit but a assumption.</p>
<p>New York:</p>
<p>1) Columbia
2) Cornell
3) NYU
4) Cooper Union
5) Vassar
6) FIT / Parsons
7) Barnard
8) Syracuse
9) Bard College
10) Fordham / CUNY Honors</p>
<p>My list trumps yours.</p>
<p>By the way...if it were only up to me Louisiana Tech would be 1st by a long shot in my LA rankings...just saying.</p>
<p>thisSHHHisBANANAs: Your NY ranking doesn't include schools like Rochester, RPI, Yeshiva, Colgate, Hamilton, Union and Skidmore - which are as good, if not better, than some of the schools you listed.</p>
<p>Missouri</p>
<ol>
<li>WashU-STL</li>
<li>Saint Louis University</li>
<li>Truman State University</li>
<li>University of Missouri-Columbia</li>
<li>University of Missouri-St. Louis</li>
<li>William Jewel College</li>
<li>Southwest Missouri State</li>
<li>Columbia College</li>
<li>SE Missouri State</li>
<li>University of Missouri-KC</li>
</ol>
<p>pedsox, va tech above w&l? are you kidding? not a very funny joke. UVA i will admit is probably better than w&l. w&m is not, but a case on its behalf could be made. but virginia tech is not even in the same ballpark. the only areas in which tech 'wins' are engineering, and sheer size of enrollment. sorry, but w&l is superior in all other areas of academics. not to mention social life, graduate school/ job placement, admissions standards, quality of life, location, student/ professor interaction, reputation/ prestige.... i will not go on. o yeah, blacksburg also has the advantage in athletics, but if that was a major factor in your silly ranking, then va tech would be ranked above w&m and uva as well. what a joke.</p>
<p>Before you get too hostile, remember that this asked for "top schools". I think you have to consider an element of popularity as well. My own opinion was not to make you or anyone else angry. There have been lots of opinions posted here on different states. One of my best friends goes to Washington and Lee. He turned down UVA and William and Mary to attend. I am well aware of the quality of Washington and Lee. However, I still stand by what I submitted. There is not cmpetition between William and Mary and UVA. Undeniably both schools are top notch. It's true that they appeal to very different students. It's totally false that UVA hates William and Mary and vise versa. We know we are the best in the state and right at the top of the public schools in the country. I categorized Washington and Lee because like University of Mary Washington, it is often overlooked an is a gem. Before you fire back, I am not putting Washington and Lee in the same category as Mary Washington, but you know what I mean. Washington and Lee is small, very small. Their grad programs are not in the caliber of Virginia Tech. The average GPA at Tech has risen and the school is becomming insanely competitive. The tech programs of course are very hard to get into. Tech is more popular and much more appealing than Washington and Lee. We were not talking soley academics, or at least I wasn't. You can see that I placed Mary Washington above JMU even though JMU is a much more popular school. However the academics at Mary Washington are far better, in my opinion. Nobody is busting on Washington and Lee, but it is not above Tech, sorry. Lots of Virginians know very little about Washington and Lee.</p>
<p>One more thing. William and Mary IS above Washington and Lee. This is a fact. I admire your school loyalty though. Chill dude!</p>
<p>i apologize for any hostility above. while i see your point and understand that tech is becoming more competitive/ popular all the time, i still maintain that w&l is a better school. it is not fair to say that tech has better grad programs. washington and lee only has one graduate program: law. its law school is ranked in the top 25 nationally; but, once again, that is its only grad program. the school is consistently ranked in the top 15 LACs. admission to w&l is without a doubt more competitive than virginia tech's and william and mary's. agree to disagree i guess.</p>
<p>Pedsox, first of all, there is no such such as a fact that one school is "above" another, especially when the supposed lower school has much higher SATs and much lower acceptance rate. Secondly, you are rewarding ignorance by putting VT above W&L. Basically 80% of VT could not hope to aspire to get into W&L. VT is more popular because its students are less talented, just like the general population.</p>
<p>bananas, putting Syracuse, FIT, Bard, Fordham in front of Colgate, Hamilton, URochester, RPI is laughable and shows you know nothing about these schools. What kind of criteria are you using?</p>
<p>Gellino.................maturity is letting others have their own opinion. Anything less is TRUE ignorance. That elitist W&L attitude will get you nowhere...........fast. Washington and Lee is a good, small, very, very, very small PRIVATE school. Yes, their acceptance rate is low, but IT IS A SMALL SCHOOL. Sorry to burst your bubble, but a school that small is not appealing to that many people in general. Just a sort of offshoot from small public elite high school's that put out 25 or so graduating seniors. Eventually everyone has to face the real world. It is far more ignorant to assume that everyone who goes to Virginia Tech, couldn't get into Washington and Lee, William and Mary, or UVA. Trust me, plenty did and just didn't feel the fit was right or wanted all that Tech has to offer. Why is this so hard to understand? Your comments are not well thought out. You assumed that my personal opinion as an upcoming college sophomore was meant to be disrespectful of W&L. That was never the intention. To set the record straight, I do stand by my original opinion and allow others to offer theirs as well. William and Mary is hands down a more well known, prestigious, Public Ivy, competitive college with very strong academics and grad schools. It is head an shoulders above Washington and Lee. Everyone in Virginia knows that or at least knows that UVA and W&M are the very tops. And I'm truly sorry that I can't placate your opinion. Your second paragraph shows that you could possibly need to vent some anger? Quit insulting people who are mearly giving their opinion, most of us still teenagers. Just chill the %@# out.</p>
<p>pedsox, i agreed with your earlier but your comments are once again not only fallacious, but also blatantly offensive. to say that w&m is "head and shoulders" above w&l is laughable. if w&m IS better (which I have not accepted), it BARELY beats w&l only because of the breadth of its academic offerings, size of enrollment, grad school programs, etc. basically, it is much bigger (as you said); therefore, the two cannot fairly be compared. washington and lee is a liberal arts college with a very small teacher/ student ratio and enrollment while william and mary is a larger public institution with less focus on undergrad education. to say that w&l is a "sort of offshoot from small public elite high schools" is beyond ridiculous; W&L is a very old, traditional school with a history that william and mary could only wish to have. (yes i know william and mary was founded first, but washington and lee's history includes several great american generals and an unrivaled honor system). also, the students at washington and lee are no more elitist than those at your beloved UVA, or those at any other elite school for that matter. the bottom line is that the two schools cannot be fairly compared/ ranked against one another; what can be said with 100% accuracy, however, is that it is COMPLETELY inaccurate to state with confidence that william and mary is "head and shoulders" above washington and lee. it is equally false to say that william and mary is "hands down a more well known, prestigious" school. i live in the south, and i can assure you that i have yet to meet ANYONE who has heard of william and mary but NOT W&L, or vise versa. i will admit that neither school has the name recognition of UVA, however. any worthy employer or graduate school puts W&L and W&M on equal footing.</p>
<p>wow look at this heated debate about the top colleges... haha</p>
<p>hate to interrupt, but people keep saying the top colleges in colorado vary according to one's major...what if I were to major in biology? which colorado university would be best for me?</p>
<p>Pedsox: I disagree with a lot of what you have said. </p>
<ol>
<li><p>You say: "There is not cmpetition between William and Mary and UVA.". Wrong. UVA wins the cross-admit battle and most applicants (especially from Chantilly, Mclean, Oakton High School, and other NOVA public schools have kids that apply to both). At my school, which I can speak for, they always pick UVA if admitted to both. There are kids who get rejected to William and get into UVA and vice versa. There is definitely competition between the two.</p></li>
<li><p>William and Mary is basically a LAC so it can be compared with W and L. The two are on equal footing in my opinion. Sure William and Mary is a public so it gets more in-state applicants but its endowment is quite low. Perhaps it can raise this in the future. </p></li>
<li><p>"One more thing. William and Mary IS above Washington and Lee. This is a fact. I admire your school loyalty though. Chill dude!"</p></li>
</ol>
<p>I don't know how you would reach such a conclusion. It is true William and Mary is more known to the average NOVA kid because it is a public and applied to often by instate kids. </p>
<ol>
<li>"It is far more ignorant to assume that everyone who goes to Virginia Tech, couldn't get into Washington and Lee, William and Mary, or UVA. Trust me, plenty did and just didn't feel the fit was right or wanted all that Tech has to offer. Why is this so hard to understand?"</li>
</ol>
<p>Please use some facts or numbers for your statements. It is quite wrong to say that "plenty" of VT kids got into UVa/William or Washington and Lee. A MINORITY did and chose to go to Tech. I only knew of 1 kid out of 20+ that did so when I was a senior. That is less than 5%. Obviously this is just ONE school for ONE year but it is much more accurate then sayin "plenty". </p>
<ol>
<li>"William and Mary is hands down a more well known, prestigious, Public Ivy, competitive college with very strong academics and grad schools. It is head an shoulders above Washington and Lee. Everyone in Virginia knows that or at least knows that UVA and W&M are the very tops."</li>
</ol>
<p>I don't know where you get that but Washington and Lee's numbers are just as competitive as William and Mary's. It is true William is more well known for the reasons I stated in number 3 but that doesn't make it a better school. New York University is more well known than Caltech or Dartmouth/Brown but does that make it better? I live in Northern Virginia and yes everyone knows UVA and William are the top PUBLICS. Along with them is Washington and Lee as a LAC. The rest of the schools are Mary Washingon/University of Richmond, and then Tech/JMU/etc. </p>
<ol>
<li>And Finally: Try to refrain from using sweeping generalizations that are wrong. Saying things like "everyone in VA knows or at least they should" is one such example. Perhaps you are the odd one out on this one? It seems everyone that is educated knows Washington and Lee is on par with William and Mary. 3 people including myself have disagreed with you and you've yet to find a sympathizer. Perhaps this alone should clue you in on how uncommon your opinion is?</li>
</ol>
<p>I figure i'll add my two cents in and say that I disagree with those who have placed W&M ahead of W&L, or vice-versa, as they are both great schools with neither really edging out the other, but some things I feel compelled to comment on:</p>
<br>
<blockquote> <p>W&L is a very old, traditional school with a history that william and mary could only wish to have. (yes i know william and mary was founded first, but washington and lee's history includes several great american generals and an unrivaled honor system)<<</p> </blockquote>
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<p>Uhh... was this a joke? Internet sarcasm is hard to detect. William and Mary's history includes several great American Presidents, and the first honor system was established at William and Mary.</p>
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<blockquote> <p>...while william and mary is a larger public institution with less focus on undergrad education.<<</p> </blockquote>
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<p>Actually, William and Mary is a small public institution known for its focus on undergraduate education.</p>
<p>Oh and AcceptedAlready, it's funny how you tell pedsox to refrain from using sweeping generalizations, all the while using sweeping generalizations.</p>
<p>stop arguing about schools...go watch tv.</p>
<p>I guess I'll do an Illinois (just general perceived UNDERGRADUATE academic quality).</p>
<ol>
<li>Chicago</li>
<li>Northwestern</li>
<li>Illinois Wesleyan</li>
<li>UIUC</li>
<li>Knox</li>
<li>Lake Forest
(In no order)</li>
<li>Depaul</li>
<li>Augustana</li>
<li>Loyola</li>
<li>Northern Illinois</li>
</ol>
<p>When did I use generalizations in my post? I CLEARLY state my own experiences such as "Obviously this is just ONE school for ONE year but it is much more accurate then sayin "plenty". " I also use phrases like "it seems that" or "perhaps you are" which are in no way generalizations.</p>
<p>I'm actually probably the only unbiased one here :) as one goes to William, One goes to Lee, and you got in ED to William and Mary yourself, did you not Beat?</p>
<p>GuitarShredder05: </p>
<p>For Illinois... if we're talking about undergrad I'd say you have Chicago and Northwestern backward. Also, UIUC is far better than Illinois Wesleyan.</p>
<p>beat, on my first comment you highlighted, i was indeed being sarcastic. a little humor to lighten up what became a silly debate on two great schools. my second comment, however, is true. william and mary is larger (than W&L), public, and focuses less on undergrad (than W&L). i fully realize that W&M is MUCH more focused on undergraduate education than almost any other public u in the US; but when compared to W&L, it is a much bigger school, with proportionally bigger class sizes.</p>