<p>And you are implying that, in my previous posts, I hold W&L in a negative light. I only stated it isn't as recognized as other VA schools.</p>
<p>Virginia (again)</p>
<p>basing mine on rankings, rep, and friends' opinions about their experiences at each school.</p>
<ol>
<li>College of William and Mary </li>
<li>University of Virginia (very close to W&M)</li>
<li>University of Richmond (students I know there feel very positive about their experience; kids are UVA and W&M caliber.)</li>
<li>Washington and Lee University (may be ranked higher than U of R, but the campus is secluded, and you are Greek or secluded.)</li>
</ol>
<p>-----FREE FALL-----</p>
<ol>
<li>Virginia Tech (the engineering program is better than UVA's. Otherwise, their students are JMU caliber at best.)</li>
<li>James Madison University (in Virginia, they are considered a safety school. In most other states however, JMU would be the best public university by far. This shows you how good VA's public college system is. The average SAT at JMU is around a 1200 (Math and Verbal) now.</li>
<li>Mary Washington University (good school actually, but no name whatsoever)</li>
</ol>
<p>-----ANOTHER NICE DROP (not like the first one though)-----</p>
<ol>
<li>George Mason University (While people make fun of them all the time for being a four year version of a community college, its location will make it very reputable for years to come. Law school is in the Top 40, and the basketball team's run will help increase apps.)</li>
<li>Randolph Macon College (Just like MWC in many respects. Not very well known because it's a private school, and in VA, the public schools are king.</li>
<li>Virginia Military Institute (secluded, just like W&L, it's right next to W&L actually, but the experience and education are still solid.)</li>
</ol>
<p>(close: Sweet Briar, Hampden-Sydney, Hollins, Virginia Commonwealth)</p>
<p>geez wmalum, at least change your name before showing such incredible bias!</p>
<p>Putting Austin College and SMU above UT-Austin?? I dunno about that....</p>
<p>firewalker, not to insult your high school; im sure it is a fine institution; however, the fact that W&L is not as popular in your high school may be contributed to the quality of the average student there rather than to the quality of washington and lee. (after all, only one person from that list on the link was accepted of those who applied!) the fact of the matter is simple: JMU, tech, GMU, and VCU are just not in the same league as W&L and W&M; the fact that the former schools are the most popular from your class only speaks about the quality of those students rather than about the reputation of W&L.</p>
<p>and wmalum, secluded/ greek or not, W&L is higher ranked than richmond for a reason. while richmond is a great place, its academics cannot match up to W&L's.</p>
<p>"Putting Austin College and SMU above UT-Austin?? I dunno about that...."</p>
<p>Absolutely. Don't confuse size with quality.
When Texas-Austin began showing more selectivity, it was because of overcrowding, not because Football U. suddenly became the Harvard of the Southwest.
Announcing that you have a new policy of selective admission does tickle the old grads, but obviously there have been many exceptions, not the dimmest of which was the Longhorn quarterback, Vince Young, who NFL-tested at special ed levels.
It's the same Texas, just with a few smarter students.
Texas has that Plan B thing, but it's no better than programs that Austin College and SMU have had in place for years. SMU's business and fine arts schools are among the best in the country.</p>
<p>I agree with Shoe66</p>
<p>jpod: FINE. just do this then:</p>
<p>Pennsylvania:</p>
<ol>
<li>Upenn</li>
<li>Carnegie Mellon</li>
<li>Swarthmore</li>
<li>Haverford</li>
<li>University of Pittsburgh</li>
</ol>
<p>"firewalker, not to insult your high school; im sure it is a fine institution; however, the fact that W&L is not as popular in your high school may be contributed to the quality of the average student there rather than to the quality of washington and lee."</p>
<p>For argument's sake, I'll give you that much. But look at the link to the TJ acceptances...TJ is probably one of the top high schools in the entire nation, thats why I chose to link to their senior acceptances...if you're going to write off TJ's student body as "average", youre kidding yourself. You seem to have confused my school with TJ.</p>
<p>"(after all, only one person from that list on the link was accepted of those who applied!)"</p>
<p>Those 3 kids were applicants, the fact of the matter is only 3 applied...I never doubted it's selectivity, what I stated was it doesn't have name recognition.</p>
<p>Which supports my other statement of northern virginians not having much awareness of W&L's existence...lest it's academic quality.</p>
<p>MAryland</p>
<p>Johns Hopkins
University of Maryland</p>
<p>Please learn how to read carefully; it's annoying trying to have a discussion with people who don't have that skill.</p>
<p>Worldband - the stats that you and other Tufts alum constantly refer to are for "admitted students". There's a world of difference between students who receive fat envelopes in May and the one's who show up on Tuft's doorstep in August. If you have reliable stats for MATRICULATED students, please cite them,</p>
<p>Here's my opinion on Indiana and Utah (definitely just opinion)</p>
<ol>
<li>Notre Dame</li>
<li>Purdue</li>
<li>Rose Hulman (only if you are there for science though)</li>
<li>Indiana</li>
<li>Butler (many would argue this should be higher, but I just don't like it)</li>
</ol>
<p>Utah:</p>
<ol>
<li> Brigham Young</li>
<li> University of Utah
3-5. Utah State, Utah Valley State, others I haven't heard of :)</li>
</ol>
<p>Colgate and Fordham is nowhere near a close call.</p>
<p>Colgate: mid 50% SAT: 1280-1430, 27% acceptance rate, 68% in top 10% of hs class
Fordham: mid 50% SAT: 1120-1310, 50% acceptance rate, 39% in top 10% of hs class</p>
<p>Bucknell, Lehigh, Lafayette are all more highly respected than Pitt. F&M, Dickinson, Gettysburg probably are too.</p>
<p>amen gellino. i'd also add bryn mawr to the list of pa schools above upitt.</p>
<p>to the W&M/W&L debate: name recognition doesnt have much to do with quality of school. just ask people not in the northwest about gonzaga vs whitman- the zags suddenly have a ton of recognition because of their successful bball teams, whereas whitman is basically unknown, despite being a terrific school.</p>
<p>CA:
Stanford
Caltech
Berkeley
UCLA
UCSD</p>
<p>Pomona and HMC aren't in that list because they are liberal arts schools.</p>
<p>Admitted vs. Matriculated </p>
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<p>Worldband - the stats that you and other Tufts alum constantly refer to are for "admitted students". There's a world of difference between students who receive fat envelopes in May and the one's who show up on Tuft's doorstep in August. If you have reliable stats for MATRICULATED students, please cite them,</p>
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<p>This is true. Tufts is overratted</p>
<p>"to the W&M/W&L debate: name recognition doesnt have much to do with quality of school."</p>
<p>That's a shift in the discussion, I just want to make sure what I stated earlier is clear.</p>
<p>
[quote]
jpod: FINE. just do this then:</p>
<p>Pennsylvania:</p>
<ol>
<li>Upenn</li>
<li>Carnegie Mellon</li>
<li>Swarthmore</li>
<li>Haverford</li>
<li>University of Pittsburgh
[/quote]
</li>
</ol>
<p>As much as I hate it, Penn State would be ahead of UPitt. Penn State isn't top five in PA though...</p>
<p>What would be above Penn State?</p>
<p>I think in PA it would be </p>
<p>UPenn
Swarthmore
Haverford
Carnegie Mellon
Penn State</p>