<p>You can't rank LACs and nationals together.</p>
<p>Quality of education you say? HOW GOOD IS SWARTH AT QUALITY OF EDUCATION FOR COMP SCI vs Carnegie Mellon? How about business?! Just 'cause some nationals like Dartmouth behave like LACs doesn't mean you can treat them all like LACs.</p>
<p>Can you compare Stern vs Williams? Can you compare Tisch vs Amherst?
Can you compare Carnegie Mellon's engineering to Swarthmore?</p>
<p>PS: Swarth is overratd. It is an expensive secondary high school for pretentious rich snobby preppy kids. Upenn and Carnegie Mellon on the other hand are diversified masters of multiple fields. Upenn's got the business/engineering and liberal arts. CMU's got the tech oriented computer science, sciences, engineering, business, and drama/musical theatre/arts.</p>
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Quality of education you say? HOW GOOD IS <em>HARVARD OR PRINCETON OR YALE</em> AT QUALITY OF EDUCATION FOR COMP SCI vs Carnegie Mellon? How about business?! Just 'cause some nationals like Dartmouth behave like LACs doesn't mean you can treat them all like LACs.
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<p>...and i guess by your logic we can just call stern an expensive vocational high school for pretentious, rich, snobby kids. undergraduate professional programs are not the defining feature of a national university.</p>
<p>I think someone needs a hug...</p>
<p>We are attempting to compare the complete undergraduate education at these schools. If swarthmore doesnt have engineering, then obviously it doesnt get included when you look at swarthmore as a school. UChicago doesnt have engineering either, nobody says its overrated because it cant be compared to UIUC's engineering program. UPenn may have Wharton, but many posters on this thread feel that Swarthmore provides a better undergraduate education than UPenn in the fields that they actually have. This thread is all about opinion, but you cant say that swarthmore is overrated because CMU has better engineering.</p>
<p>Swarth is overrated because it does not master any real field. Pomona > Swarth in my opinion.</p>
<p>LACs are a much different focus. They are basically a feeder for higher education like grad, law, med, etc. With different focuses and programs it is only common sense that they be split up.</p>
<p>I agree with ckmets13. Sternman, you can't say Swarthmore is overrated because CMU has better engineering. According to your logic, Rutgers should be much better than NYU Stern since it has a better pharmacy program.
Do you think NYU Stern is better than Princeton since it has a better finance (#2 in the US)? Of course not, right? </p>
<p>Swarthmore is a phenomenal school.</p>
<h1>1 in PA IMO</h1>
<p>You can't compare Swarthmore and Stern because
Swarthmore>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stern</p>
<p>LACs are not focused the same as nationals. </p>
<p>I don't even know why I'm replying as you are just a moniker/alias of the swarth troll. Nice 2 posts. Swarthmore is overrated compared to other great LACs like washington and lee.</p>
<p>By the time you graduate from college, you will understand why Swarthmore is an excellent school. Right now, it seems like you just don't like Swarthmore w/out any reason. I guess you don't like harvard either.
It's overrated since it does not have an undergrad business school right? Stern>Harvard?? haha</p>
<p>Go make another alias. Try posting at least 20 times before you start the Swarth trolling. I'm not saying I don't like Swarth. It's overrated compared to the other LACs though still a top LAC. The main thing is to separate national/lac rankings.</p>
<p>Didn't you rank them together (national/lac)?
ie, 1. Penn 2. CMU 3. Swarth
Now you are saying "The main thing is to separate national/lac ranking"?
I guess you need to take a logic class at Stern.</p>
<p>I ranked them together in my original post to prove that it was impossible to combine LACs/Nationals and then EXPLAINED in later posts that I did so because of Upenn/CMU's dominance in MULTIPLE fields that made them good. That doesn't mean I insulted Swarthmore.</p>
<p>The reason it's impossible to rank 'em together is because say for feeders and liberal arts education you'd want Swarth. Majors/departments are not the only thing that distinguish the schools. The different focus and environments are also what differentiates them. It is kinda like comparing trade schools like Olin with other schools.</p>
<p>I think 2 people need hugs...</p>
<p>it looks like sternman is 16 or 17.
im sure he is quite capable of knowing how to judge what a quality school is, especially one he has no interest in applying to, and how to compare completely different schools....oh wait, hes not even in school.</p>
<p>Come back to this thread and reread what you have written after you graduate from STERN.</p>
<p>Swarthmore actually is one of the few LACs with engineering, so it shows how much Sternman (and others) know about Swarthmore. NYU is considered a national university because of the presence of multiple graduate programs, not because of an undergraduate business program. Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Dartmouth, Brown, Columbia, Northwestern, Johns Hopkins are all considered national universities without the presence of an undergraduate business school. Also, in my experience, I've found people majoring in business undergrad tend to be more boring, less interesting, less intellectually curious people. At least, this was the case in my investment banking analyst class (where undergrad liberal arts majors outnumbered business majors 3:1).</p>
<ol>
<li>Kalamazoo College</li>
<li>MSU</li>
<li>UM</li>
<li>Michigan Tech</li>
<li>Grand Valley</li>
<li>Calvin/Hope</li>
<li>Western</li>
<li>Wayne State</li>
<li>Eastern</li>
<li>Central/Oakland</li>
</ol>
<p>Yeah I put UM below K-zoo and MSU. It’s not all about academics.</p>
<p>Massachusetts Research Universities:
- Harvard
- MIT
- Tufts
- Brandeis
- Boston College
- Boston U/ Northeastern
- UMass Amherst
- UMass Lowell
- UMass Boston</p>
<p>LACs:
- Amherst
- Williams
- Wellesley
- Smith
- Holy Cross
- Mt. Holyoke
- Wheaton
- Stonehill
- Simmons</p>
<p>Specialty Business Schools:</p>
<ol>
<li>Babson</li>
<li>Bentley</li>
</ol>
<p>NY:
1.Cooper Union (Tie)
- Columbia (Tie)
- NYU
- Cornell
- Bard
- Barnard
- Hamilton
- Fordham
- RPI
- Sarah Laurence
- The CUNY’s
- The New School
- Pace</p>
<p>Maine</p>
<ol>
<li>Bowdoin</li>
<li>Bates</li>
<li>Colby</li>
<li>UMaine Orono</li>
<li>University of New England</li>
<li>St. Joe’s</li>
<li>Maine Maritime</li>
<li>USM</li>
</ol>
<p>All of them are very different (aside from the top 3)</p>