<p>Looks like the "Worst Rejection Letter Ever" thread got deleted. Wonder why... Vos isn't one of the CC admins, is he? Hah.</p>
<p>Let's see how long THIS thread lasts before it gets deleted... :)</p>
<p>I think that CC does not allow to reproduce the entire contents of personal letters or emails. According to the TOS, sections may be quoted or paraphrased. </p>
<p>FWIW, I already stated my disagreement with the posters who believed the letter was insensitive, obnoxious, pretentious, or pompous. In particular, the ad hominem attacks were way off-base. </p>
<p>If I remember correctly, you indicated your preference for the Wellesley rejection letter. I guess that Wellesley spent more time polishing their letters for contents and sensitivity. On that note, since their admissions' department use rejection letters so sparingly, they might even consider writing them by hand on pink paper and enclose a few rose petals for effect. ;)</p>
<p>Take a deep breath and let it go!</p>
<p>xiggi, I love the college but i have to agree it could have been worded more sensitively. However, I think my D only read the first line and dropped the letter. The coach sent her a great letter however that was very warm expressing his disappointment. That is highly unusual for a coach to do so I was pretty impressed. My S got the acceptance letter and it is always nicer to hear that the committee unanimously decided to accept you then that they unanimously didn't want you. Part of being a great leader as the school advocates is in being gracious to folks and sensitive while getting the message across. Not a big issue just a thought</p>
<p>... that someone (namely, you, xiggi) would feel as if you had the right to consider the CMC rejection letter NOT insensitive or pompous when you yourself did not personally recieve it. YOU didn't apply to the college and didn't get a rejection letter, so I HIGHLY doubt you would truly know it felt to see something so snide and pretentious directed towards you. And as I know you didn't personally recieve the letter and therefore wouldn't have a truly valid opinion concerning how it would make a recipient feel, I just don't care what you have to say.</p>
<p>Oh, and yes, it WOULD be lovely if Wellesley were to hand write their rejection letters and enclose rose petals in them. I think I'd like that very, very much. Much more than reading deeply sarcastic comments from you, someone who posts on this board but doesn't seem to be connected with CMC at all, except for perhaps having nothing better to do with your time. </p>
<p>If you feel offended or annoyed by anything I just told you: Dude! Take a deep breath and let it go.</p>
<p>Here's a ;) for you, too.</p>
<p>I thought Xiggi was a student at CMC??????</p>
<p>Yes, he is. :) And a very good source of information on these boards.</p>
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<li>Then the principle of my reply still stands: he DOESN'T know what it's like to get a CMC rejection letter</li>
<li>As he was accepted by CMC and attends CMC, his view is just as biased as mine would be percieved-- he was accepted and doesn't feel the rejection letter was insensitive at all, I was denied and I definitely feel the rejection letter was pompus and inconsiderate.</li>
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<p>And if he is a student at CMC, that still doesn't mean he has the right to be so sarcastic and patronizing-- "take a deep breath and let go"-- whatever. The Wellesley comment about them being sparse with their rejection letters? Obviously, clearly meant to insult me.</p>
<p>Wow... wonder if xiggi learned his people skills from incredibly sensitive, considerate people like Vos?</p>
<p>Nobody is disagreeing that it is not pleasant to be on the end of the rejection notice. My son got the waitlist one. </p>
<p>However, this really isn't productive after the first vent. This the best and worst time of year on these boards. The rejection threads are every bit as sad as the acceptance threads are happy. And then there is the second round of "can't afford" after the aid packages arrive.</p>
<p>I wasn't thrilled with the letter, but my son is okay with it, and that is all that really matters. I do understand your feelings.</p>
<p>I'm sorry if I've gone overboard. Thank you for being understanding. </p>
<p>"However, this really isn't productive after the first vent. This the best and worst time of year on these boards. The rejection threads are every bit as sad as the acceptance threads are happy. And then there is the second round of "can't afford" after the aid packages arrive."</p>
<p>Well, the first vent got shut down. I posted several times on the first thread-- while specifically indicating that CMC was a great school, and congrats to the intelligent and talented students who were accepted. I just mentioned how pretentious and insensitive Vos seemed, and explained extensively-- perhaps too much so-- why I felt that way. I was certainly not the only one. </p>
<p>I did not think-- and I certainly did not intend-- to hurt those who were accepted. In fact, if you're reading this now and you've been accepted, congratulations again. :) </p>
<p>However, I think xiggi decided to take a similarly inconsiderate path and personally insult me-- especially with mentioning the Wellesley rejection. He's being as smug and snide as the CMC letter, though much more subtle about it-- I understand that explicitly mentioning how sparely Wellesley gives out rejections, xiggi is meaning to insult me as not good enough, either. He is, however, no expert on Wellesley admissions. The acceptance rate for Wellesley is not high, and the applicant pool is largely self-selected (and so is quite competitive to begin with). So actually, Wellelsey sends out its fair share of rejection letters-- they are not as uncommon as xiggi would like to believe in order to personally insult me.</p>
<p>Thanks for being understanding texastaximom. Again, I'm very sorry if I made actual students or accepted students for CMC uncomfortable or offended. That was not my intention. </p>
<p>However, if Vos should ever hear of this and be uncomfortable or offended: well, I just don't care.</p>
<p>PEALS-05, I think you need to relax. I neither attend CMC nor recieved a rejection letter, in fact I never even applied. I am a Mudd student, and as such, I may have a slightly biased view of CMC, but I assure you, if I do, it's in your favor. The rejection letter could have been put a bit nicer, yes, but I don't think it was a matter of insensitivity, just that it's a poorly written letter. I wouldn't want to recieve a letter of acceptance that sounded that way, either. I can't quote the letter, since it got removed, but I remember thinking that my 11-year old sister could probably have written something better. Now if your argument that the letter was insensitive in fact revolves around this idea, that the letter was probably hurredly written by someone with less than excellent writing skills, you can completely ignore what I'm saying, but my point is, I don't think they were trying to be rude about it. It's easy to take offense when things don't go quite as you had hoped, but how about, instead of fuming over the rejections, you celebrate the acceptances? I'm assuming you got into a good school elsewhere, so just laugh it off and say it's CMC's loss and be done with it.</p>
<p>Sweet. A couple of my friends were considering Harvey Mudd because it's such a great school, but they ended up not applying because they felt it was too far away (we're three thousands miles away). </p>
<p>When I first read the letter, I truly, genuinely felt that it was pretentious. Then I realized it was badly written, but not "just" badly written. I felt there was an unmistakable air of snideness there, too. And I don't doubt, radioactivepb, that your eleven-year old sister could write more eloquently.</p>
<p>Sorry, radioactivepb. I will try to relax. I was on my way to calming down and regretting being so over-reactive when xiggi decides to be a snide smart/jack-a**. Wellesley was my top choice and him using the rejection against me in that manner-- well, his comment was just begging for me to do far from relax.</p>
<p>See xiggi? Why can't you be like radioactivepb or texastaximom and be understanding? I wouldn't be half as annoyed as I am now if you hadn't decided to be a jerk. As a student at CMC, you should be smart enough to know people aren't going to put up with you being derogatory, as subtle as it may be. </p>
<p>Anyhow, thanks radioactivepb. I'm going to sleep now. Have a good night! :)</p>
<p>Enough is enough, Peals-05! If you insist on pitching them, I'll keep hitting them over the fence. </p>
<p>First off, you are trying way too hard to find insults in my messages. You even object to a simple, "Take a deep breath and let it go!" If I wanted to be derogatory, it would be hard to miss. Check a few of my messages, and you'll get an idea of my posting style. I call them as I see them, but do not care for the use of veiled insults. </p>
<p>That said, you clearly have a very selective memory. </p>
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But no one I have talked to has ever even heard of CMC. My question: So who does CMC think they are, exactly? Vos sounds, to put it bluntly, like a pompus as*wipe. I'm NOT being bitter. Wellesley College was another rejection, and it has been around much longer than CMC, and has a much better academic record and reputation than CMC. I can understand an Ivy being tough with their rejected applicants. But CMC? Oh please. Give me freaking break. I'm going to University of So. California this fall. At least people have actually heard of it. ... While CMC is a great school, someone should remind Vos it isn't tops yet. Of even just the five Claremonts, academically Harvey Mudd AND Pomona top it. As I mentioned before, Wellesley (#4 ranked LAC in nation) had a very considerate and unpompous rejection letter, and they have a much more prestigious reputation than CMC."
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<p>You decided to post your original rants on the CMC board. After the thread was deleted, you had to come back and start the discussion again! Are you surprised that someone remembered your unflattering comments and hollow apologies? Are you really surprised that someone picked on your Wellesley comments? </p>
<p>As far as discussing the admission statistics of Wellesley, where would you like to begin? Do these numbers look familiar?
Wellesley Enrolled 591 Total applications 3912 Total admitted 1476 Overall rate of admission 41% ED Applications 180 ED Admitted 123 Rate of Admission ED 68%. Unless there are two colleges named Wellesley, I believe my numbers to be correct. </p>
<p>As far as picking on you ... here were my first words: "Did you miss that Richard Vos expressed twice his regret for not being ABLE to admit more students. What do you EXPECT him to say? That the committee made a mistake? They read the files and HAD to make tough decisions. Dealing with disappointment is hard, but nitpicking the message won't make the result easier to accept."</p>
<p>No wonder that you consider Richard Vos's words as smug and snide as mine. I do not spend my time on CC being a cheerleader for CMC -which might explain why you did not know my connection with the school. However, I do not hesitate to defend people who are incorrectly portrayed as pompous, insensitive, and uncaring. Since you probably would dismiss my comments that are based on personal interaction with Richard Vos, I invite you to take a few seconds to read comments that paint a different picture: <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=46788%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=46788</a></p>
<p>While you are absolutely entitled to have your opinion on CMC, you cannot expect everyone to accept your opinion as a fait accompli.</p>
<p>... I thought "I" was the one that was supposed to take a breath and let go. Look who's hot and bothered and using exclamation points. Don't let me bait you, xiggi. By the way you usually write, one would expect you to have more intergrity than that...</p>
<p>I knew I said I would be heading to sleep but I'll admit I couldn't help myself and wanted to see if you had replied. Well you have, so here's what I have to say:</p>
<p>Did you REALLY save my posts from a DELETED thread on this board? Do you really have the time in your life with which to do stuff like that? I have since apologized-- several times-- for making those comments, and have not made a "directly derogatory towards CMC" post since, nor will I again. I suppose it would be expected that you chose NOT to save those apologies...?</p>
<p>"Wellesley Enrolled 591 Total applications 3912 Total admitted 1476 Overall rate of admission 41% ED Applications 180 ED Admitted 123 Rate of Admission ED 68%. Unless there are two colleges named Wellesley, I believe my numbers to be correct."</p>
<p>I believe it would take under two minutes to find admission stats for any American college from the Internet. So I'm not exactly impressed with, uh, "your" numbers. </p>
<p>"hollow apologies"? Well, "I" don't consider them "hollow", and I wrote them. I feel my apologies were genuinely congratulatory and heartfelt, just as a certain someone believes that Vos' rejection letters were genuinely heartfelt and considerate....</p>
<p>"Are you really surprised that someone picked on your Wellesley comments?"</p>
<p>Well, if I remember correctly (as you said, I have "a very selective memory"), scores of people read the original "Worst Rejection Letter" thread. And I don't believe reading any posts that picked on me and my Wellesley comment personally in such a way as yours.</p>
<p>And, as you can see, over a hundred people have checked out THIS thread. And ONLY you have CHOSEN to "pick on" my Wellesley comments, out of those scores of people.</p>
<p>So... yeah, I guess I really am surprised that someone picked on my Wellesley comments. </p>
<p>"While you are absolutely entitled to have your opinion on CMC, you cannot expect everyone to accept your opinion as a fait accompli."</p>
<p>That's a completely true and fair statement, and the most agreeable thing I have seen you write on this thread. You might find these more "hollow" apologies, but I will make them anyway because I personally don't believe them as hollow: I regret that I chose to offend you, as you personally know Vos and do not believe him to be inconsiderate and pompous. I am sorry I apparently have negatively labeled someone you know to be otherwise. And I regret getting so wrapped up into this debate and offending other people.</p>
<p>I've apologized, and sincerely feel regretful. Hopefully you will take it as genuine, just as I'll set aside my doubts and try to take the rejection letter as more hurriedly written than out right snide.</p>
<p>"If you insist on pitching them, I'll keep hitting them over the fence."</p>
<p>And certaintly vice-versa. It's up to you whether you want to continue or not. </p>
<p>Cheers! :)</p>
<p>I'm curious about this. Could someone PM me the full text of the rejections letter since CC apparently doesn't allow it to be posted in discussions?</p>
<p>i would like to see it too</p>