<p>maybe your friend's dad or mother worked for the USC.. maybe a professsor?</p>
<p>nope....his dad works at a restuarant and his mom sews for a living</p>
<p>he also got into ucla but with tap (biz/econ)</p>
<p>ok... i dun understand...</p>
<p>So his courseload wasn't even that rigorous.
His ECs weren't even that great.
His essays weren't that well-written (mediocre = C grade Essay)...
and lastly, his GPA was below average.</p>
<p>I have absolutely NOOO idea how he got in...</p>
<p>seriously, if someone with his status is enough to get into UCLA's biz/econ, I'd as well go for the Honors Program</p>
<p>dhle you should know that when transfering EC's really don't mean much... unless you are applying to selective majors such as Haas. Along with the essays, there is speculation they aren't even read. As for his GPA being under the average... who cares? If a school's average acceptance is 3.5.. that means some people with 4.0's get in... and some with 3.0's get in... you dont need to have a 3.5 to get in. The course load being rigorous means nothing to admission.. as long as he satisfied the IGETC or in this case satisfied the pre req's and other GE requirements then why shouldn't he get in? This goes down to the whole if someone took chemistry to fulfill physical science vs taking introduction to earth science.. either course satisfies the req... it doesn't matter which one you take. Having a 3.4 GPA WITH honors is valued about the same as someone with a 3.6-3.7. USC does not "officially" value the TAP program or honors completion, but don't you think that they did pay attention to him completing honors and took that into consideration for admission? I say there is no reason why he shouldn't have gotten into either schools.</p>
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dhle you should know that when transfering EC's really don't mean much... unless you are applying to selective majors such as Haas.
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<p>UCLA BizEcon is a selective major.</p>
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Having a 3.4 GPA WITH honors is valued about the same as someone with a 3.6-3.7
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<p>no it's not. </p>
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If a school's average acceptance is 3.5.. that means some people with 4.0's get in... and some with 3.0's get in... you dont need to have a 3.5 to get in
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<p>First of all, acceptance gpa for bizecon is a 3.8.
Also, people who gets in with low GPA as 3.4 usually makes up with high EC or GOOD essay.</p>
<p>ECs don't matter?
in UCLA's transfer site, it clearly says:</p>
<p>" Personal Criteria</p>
<p>-Employment while attending school
*-Ongoing involvement in campus organizations, student government, community service, or clubs *
-Circumstances that may have prevented students from achieving their highest overall academic performance. </p>
<p>The Personal Statement you submit with the application is the best place to discuss such information. "</p>
<p>EC and ESSAYS still are a BIG part of transfer application. especially for people with low GPA like his friend. Adcoms look at ESSAYS to determine the admits for low GPA candidates. But not only he had barely any EC or employment history, I'd assume he didn't explain in the essay with any good reason as to why he wasnt able to accomplish more with his academics (since his essay was a mediocre level).</p>
<p>UCLA just doesn't randomly select a few individual with TAP program (most people who transfer to UCLA are in TAP). If GPA is not the strong point for the candidate, they look at other aspects, and they are the ESSAYS and ECs.
Yet, I dont think his friend did that good of a job in any of them.</p>
<p>I still fail to see how he was able to get admitted.</p>
<p>The average gpa for UCLA biz econ is 3.8... however at my CCC (IVC), every single person who had a 3.4 GPA that was TAP certified for that major got in (and that goes for every other TAP program according to the honors counselor). If you are TAP certified with at least a 3.4 GPA you will get into any impacted major (besides communications there). What don't you understand? He doesn't need a 3.8 to get into UCLA for biz econ because he is TAP certified... so as long as he holds a pretty good GPA he will have first choice in admissions to that major... even ahead of those with 3.7/3.8's that are NOT TAP certified.</p>
<p>Also you fail to understand what it means for "average GPA for acceptance". You're saying "First of all, acceptance gpa for bizecon is a 3.8." You are wrong. 3.8 is the AVERAGE GPA FOR ACCEPTANCE... NOT ACCEPTANCE GPA... why do you still not understand? MEANING some people could have had 3.4 GPA's.... some could have 3.2 gpa's.. and even lower. Then theres some who had 4.0 GPA's who got in also. Saying you need a 3.8 to get accepted into that program is completly wrong. Here since you didn't understand my other example take this into account.</p>
<p>A -3.4 GPA
B - 3.4 GPA
C - 4.0 GPA
D - 4.0 GPA
E - 3.9 GPA
F - 4.0 GPA
G - 3.2 GPA
H - 4.0 GPA</p>
<p>Guess what? The "Average GPA accepted is 3.74". How can that be?? According to you in order to get in you have to have a 3.74 GPA. How did applicant G with a 3.2 GPA get in? How did those 3.4 guys get in too? If you can't understand this simple logic then I'm scared for the companies that you are going to work for in the future after you come out of college...</p>
<p>I completely understand what average means, so as for your last post, I'm sorry but you just wasted all that time for nothing. But A for the effort.</p>
<p>If you are saying something cuz I forgot to write "average", then I can obviously tell that you are just stirring up for a trouble. </p>
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If you are TAP certified with at least a 3.4 GPA you will get into any impacted major (besides communications there). What don't you understand?
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<p>Cuz it doesn't work like that for the impacted major.
maybe it works for less impacted ones that require a 3.5, 3.6 avg GPA, but as for bizecon, it's a 3.8, which is EXTRA impacted, and I really can't believe that anyone with low GPA, 0 EC, and a mediocre essay is able to get in to that major even if he is in TAP.</p>
<p>TAP is useful in occasions where two candidates have similar GPA (meaning 3.4 and 3.45, NOT 3.4 and 3.7), and one candidate's in TAP and other's not in one. In that occasion, UCLA will certainly look at the one in TAP program and select that individual.</p>
<p>Colin, your post is not enough to convince me.
Yes I know that people with lower GPA than 3.8 can get in. or I would've said "the cut-off minimum gpa for bizEcon is a 3.8". But for them, more things should stand out, such as the EC and the Essay. Just being in a TAP isn't enough. If a student had a 3.4 and got admitted, he probably had a really strong essay to convince the adcom describing his family circumstance, family responsibility, specific EC of his passion, or why he wasn't able to achieve academic excellence (3.4 is not even an honor roll). If that's the case, then sure, I would definitely understand why he got admitted. </p>
<p>But his friend is a different case. He had 0 EC, bad GPA, and an essay that does not stand out (since it's mediocre). All he had was a TAP. And he applied to an impacted major, not just impacted, but VERY highly-selective impacted major and got admitted.</p>
<p>I just don't see it.</p>
<p>maybe YOU don't see it, but here's what my econ professor said: "no one i ever knew of got rejected when they're tap certified AND with at least a 3.2 at our cc"</p>
<p>case closed</p>
<p>dhl, you think way too hard in terms of being admitted into an impacted major</p>
<p>and i certainly do hope you are talking about bizecon of ucla.
If that's the case, then well it's a very good news to me.</p>
<p>I just talked to a counselor, and he said I have a VERY VERY hard chance of getting admitted to UCLA for bizEcon after seeing my stat:</p>
<p>3.71 GPA with TAP (3.84 by fall)
All the pre-reqs done</p>
<p>But according to everyone here, I guess I may even try for the Honors Prog.</p>
<p>This is the first time that I actually feel good after being wrong :P</p>
<p>counselors don't know jack</p>
<p>all they tell you is go to assist.org </p>
<p>i only saw my counselor once at my cc and that i would probably NEVER go there again</p>
<p>Actually he wasnt a cc counselor.
He was supposed to be a professional counselor for college applicants (both freshman and transfer), and he was bragging about how he was born and raised in London without parents and was accepted to Oxford when he was 15 and how he got his master's degree in Harvard and Princeton before he turned 25 and all....</p>
<p>I guess he was looking too hard into my application... as if I was applying to an Ivy school. :P</p>
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<li>i mean harvard and yale, not princeton :P
but same difference</li>
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<p>and true, cc counselors just know the basic infos that anyone can get from catolog. Regarding transfer policies for UCLA for econ department, even I know more than any of the cc counselors I've talked to.</p>
<p>After telling me all the obvious info that I already knew (how IGETC works, assist.org, and going into UCLA site to tell me the avg. admitted gpa for bizecon which i already knew since 6 months ago), she asks me if i got any questions. When I ask the real question, she says she doesnt know and tells me that she'll email the UCLA director (-_-)... something that I could do.</p>
<p>From my experience, counselor is someone who you go to if you feel too lazy to read the catalog.</p>
<p>.......................So do I have any chance of getting into the schools listed? ;)</p>
<p>dhl3 you don't seem to understand what TAP actually does. For the general person a 3.8 is the average acceptance rate... thats for people who aren't in the program. Those who are in TAP get priority over EVERYONE. Therefore if you are TAP certified you do not need the 3.7/3.8 like the rest of the non TAP people. Sure it helps to be TAP certified with the high 3.8 gpa, but you certainly do not need it. Again I've seen the stats of the people from my CCC who got in. Everyone with 3.3's 3.4's with TAP got into business econ at UCLA. Only one person got rejected because he had a 3.02 GPA. The rest got in.</p>
<p>God I wish I had gone to a CCC. Lucky BaStArDs :D</p>
<p>after hearing all this "got in with GPA lower than a 3.5" things, I'm starting to get lil... what do you call that word... overly-confident. Before today, I was worried about getting rejected by UCLA
Now, it's as if UCLA is not even a thing to worry about cuz I'm sure I'll get in.
ok, so according to everyone here, I'm basically in at USC and UCLA, two two top-choice schools for me.</p>
<p>I guess it's time to celebrate?</p>