<p>I would highly recommend to those candidates who have questions about some of the details that take place for admissions to ask Song72. He will give the best information possible. The more you know the better your chances are to gain admissions. It all depends on how much you want to attend USNA!!</p>
<p>At the end of the day, the above discussion doesn’t matter one little bit.</p>
<p>Your SAT scores are what they are. Take it once, take it a dozen times, you will do your best. Won’t you? That is, does anybody wake up on a Sat. morning and say to themselves “today, I will not do my best on this exam!”
So, you take the score, you do your best and THEN submit your scores to the NA if you so choose.<br>
Doesn’t matter if the score is a 1000 or 1550, those are you scores and they will be evaluated by the admissions board.
If you want to self-select and not submit your scores because YOU think they are sub-standard then go ahead. The result of that strategy is clear: you will not be admitted.</p>
<p>Look at the published statistics; that is all you can rely upon for sure. THer rest is drivel.</p>
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Sure it does. Without a benchmark candidates have no idea how they stand.
Knowing that aiming for a specific score provides clarity and honesty to a candidate. This way a candidate whose top scores are 430,420 will know they are not going to be competitive, until they make a huge jump in scores. For candidates on the cusp, say 650, 580 it provides a clear incentive to retake. This is an expensive and time consuming test. It’s good for candidates to know if they should re-take and re-take again.<br>
BTW - I would recommend that ALL candidates send ALL scores from EVERY test they take directly to Academy admissions and request that when they register for the test.
Do NOT wait until you get your scores.
There is no penalty to doing worse on a subsequent test, thus having scores sent directly and quickly is risk free.</p>
<p>Otherwise - good post Bill. Nice way of saying - “Ooops, I was mistaken. Thanks for claifying” ;). Gotta love CC. folks insist they are right, then when proven wrong they say it doesn’t matter :eek:</p>
<p>Aren’t you glad to know what you really said, Bill? 
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<p>Nice being so nice.:rolleyes:</p>
<p>It slow today. Violating my own rule of not responding to . . . .well, not responding to the twists and turns of what some make of CC posts.</p>
<p>The best advice one can give to a candidate is simply “do the best you can do.” Plain and simple.
Advice that one might get some mysterious “waiver” misdirects the candidate and gives them false hope.<br>
Any candidate who is serious will look at the average scores data that is posted by the Academy. They don’t need a BGO or CC to tell them whehter a score is competitive.</p>
<p>Candidates can look at the published information and make a decision for themselves. I am nto going to tell a 1050 SAT taker that they should not apply. They need to make that decision for themselves. The Academy will make the decision once the scores are received as to whehter or not further application is warranted.</p>
<p>ALL I am going to tell them is: Do the best you can do; submitting multiple scores will not hurt the applicaton [may, in fact, help if the scores are high enough]; and Good luck!</p>
<p>The rest is drivel.</p>
<p>Multiple scores-yes, do your best -a-a- yes</p>
<p>Long drivel = alot of twist and confusing garbage no</p>
<p>Mysterious waiver-probably called that in the admissions process but no formal ltr or correspondence to the individual of that fact. Perhaps meant that is not a show stopper but could be since established min have not been met. I’m sure it happens, although not very normal, but I have no knowledge of the proceeding on these addmission boards. </p>
<p>To hang your hat on something like that-obviously- no. Pursue all with great vigor=do your best.</p>
<p>Bill have you seen such in your experience?</p>
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<p>Not to quibble, but I don’t believe this assumption is merited. Waivers must be sought by candidates rather than iniitiated by the SA. And there is no way to know if below par SAT/ACT scores are cause for rejection, as I’ve not heard of admissions officers and or their proxies to inform candidates of specific causes for rejection. That would open a messa worms that none would care to get mired in. </p>
<p>Yes?</p>
<p>I was in a brief at one time where BGOs were told there is no “hard and fast” minimum. So, how does one “waive” a minimum that doesn’t exist?
Now, at the same meeting was it acknowledged that sub-1200 SATS are “more difficult” to place? Yes.
BUT, in the BGO handbook, it states that a BGO should:</p>
<p>Explain that CGO evaluates all information submitted on the Preliminary Application to determine academic potential, prior to designating an applicant a candidate. Explain what this means. Advise that CGO needs class rank (estimated if actual unavailable) and College Board test scores (SAT or ACT). If neither is received, or are low, CGO will advise applicant of the need to improve academic performance to be designated as a candidate. Ensure the applicant realizes that the purpose of this questionnaire is to provide an initial evaluation only. Review the Class Profile of the last entering class with the applicant, however, to provide information on the academic achievement necessary to be competitive for appointment. </p>
<p>It does not state a “minimum” SAT Score that the BGO [or anybody] should use as a reference to deter applicants.</p>
<p>It does say, later that BGOs sh/ encourage [applicants] to retake tests if scores are not competitive. But that would be after the CGO sends out the letter referred to above.</p>
<p>Is it possible that some slide, during some presentation used the word “waiver?” Sure.<br>
Is there a “minimum?” SAT at which a person is not “competitive.” Sure. But the CGO will determine this after evaluating the application. </p>
<p>DO YOUR BEST! EVERYTIME! It really is ALL you can do because, by definition, it IS YOUR BEST EFFORT.</p>
<p>Anyway, that is all for this Fri. afternoon.</p>
<p>^^
“Is it possible that some slide during some presentation used the word WAIVER? sure”</p>
<p>Long drivel.</p>
<p>So maybe not so “Mysterious” that you have turned it into in your drivel.</p>
<p>The word was used according to a previous post in a B&G presentation. Does waive mean to grant an exception outside a standard or minimum?</p>
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No.</p>
<p>Perhaps you should inform USNA of your definition of ‘waiver’. They do not require any candidate action with DoDMERB waivers either. </p>
<p>Reapplying candidates should, by all means, request from CGO the reasons their package was unsuccessful. This is where a candiate will hear of his SAT shortcomings.</p>
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<p>You seem competitive for admission, just keep your grades up and run!</p>
<p>However, I’m not really sure why you want to attend the Academy- you can get a better education, take an easier medical exam, start college on time, and not deal with the military bs by going NROTC. Plus, according to the Academy’s training officer (a USNA grad and 0-3), NROTC grads do better in the fleet than Annapolis grads. He even said some recent Academy grads refuse to wear their class rings; the grads don’t want the crew to think less of them because they went to the Academy. </p>
<p>Unless you want one of the more selective service assignments (Naval Aviation, SEALs, or EOD) you’d really be better off going NROTC.</p>
<p>Ok I guess I’ll open the flame doors now:</p>
<p>I disagree that the NROTC grads do better in the fleet. It’s really dependent on the individual, not their commissioning source. I also disagree that you can get a better education at NROTC. Again, it’s dependent on the school and major. I was a Naval Architecture major and USNA has one of the best Naval Architecture programs in the country. I dont wear my class ring, it’s bulky and gets in the way when you’re on a ship. I only wear it for formal events. The crew on a ship only cares that a junior officer is technically competent, looks out for their interests, and is not a self righteous ****<strong><em>. As long as you meet that standard, the crew doesn’t give a *</em></strong> where you went to college.</p>
<p>I’m not sure where you’re getting your facts, but have the correct facts and be informed of USNA and of the fleet before posting.</p>
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How could you NOT know?</p>
<p>People whose objective in life is to avoid the “military bs” tend not to hold up very well when subjected to “military bs” - because it doesn’t exist only at the Naval Academy. It’s in the fleet, as well. So, in THAT regard, the Naval Academy <em>is</em> preparing them better.</p>
<p>Further, have you ever wondered why the more selective, hard-to-get service assignments go to Naval Academy graduates?</p>
<p>How many NROTC graduates got to go Marine Corps Air? Go ahead, take a guess …</p>
<p>ZERO!</p>
<p>NROTC is a great program but to characterize it as BETTER than the Naval Academy is just … well … there’s no other word for it … stupid!</p>
<p>The longer one stays in the Navy or Marine Corps, the greater the odds that the person they salute is an Academy grad.</p>
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First off, because the USNA Training Officer is not an O-3.</p>
<p>Exactly. I’m flying the BS flag.</p>
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along with – “keep taking the test until you clear 600/600 (on separate tests if necessary)”.</p>
<p>Wile your statement I quoted is true, it does not address time and money management as respects this critical test. Knowing the 600/600 benchmark can guide an aspiring midshipman to allocate $200 to a two session tutor, $700 to an SAT class, $2,000 to a twenty session tutor, etc.</p>