<p>I know, I know, the academy does not have an official cut off line but can some one give me some hard facts? My math skills are not spectacular when I first took the sat I received a 490 then i tested again and got a 520 and this summer I studied my but off and when I took a practice Sat I received a score range from a 580 to a 660 on the Official SAT study guide and a 610 on the CR. Were do I stand realistically ?</p>
<p>Check the USNA 2013 class statistics.
<a href=“http://www.usna.edu/admissions/documents/Class%20Portrait%202013.pdf[/url]”>http://www.usna.edu/admissions/documents/Class%20Portrait%202013.pdf</a></p>
<p>Thank you sir.
i guess my only question is the academy’s stance on the Cfa i have seen the maximum scores but what is the minimum for the mile and pull ups (my 2 weaknesses) I plan on doing my best but what is a good mile time is it possible to have a bad mile and pull up score and still pass the CFA?</p>
<p>GO NAVY!
BEAT ARMY!!!</p>
<p>I recommend reading the following forum. It has a ton of information for those applying to SAs and ROTC programs. Good Luck!
[Answers</a> to “What Are My Chances?” and other Admissions FAQs - United States of America Service Academy Forums](<a href=“http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?t=6327]Answers”>http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?t=6327)</p>
<p>What is the max score? What is the average score? What score do I need to pass?</p>
<p>The usna.edu website give the maximum repetitions or time for each event (after which you get no additional credit). If you “max out” each event, you will have the max score. USNA told BGO that they focus on 3 events: pushups, crunches and the mile run. Average scores as of 3 years ago for males were: 6:40 run; 80 crunches; 58 pushups; 11 pullups; 67 Bball throw; 8.9 shuttle run. For females: 7:45 run; 75 crunches; 37 pushups; 1 pullup or 54 sec hang; 34 Bball; 9.8 shuttle. Anecdotally, I have heard that these averages may be more stringent today. In terms of what you need to get in, the test is pass/fail – you will be told by CGO if you have failed. FYI, your BGO does NOT know your scores or whether you have passed or failed.</p>
<p>CFA-Don’t ignore pullups. They count and are just as important as the other events. Even though it is pass/fail, doing outstanding will glean extra points on your entire application package. Do your best. Don’t worry about averages. And your BGO does indeed know whether you passed or failed.</p>
<p>SATs-a waiver is required if the composite score is below 1200 total or 600M/600V. The average SATs for midshipmen coming directly from high school is in the 1350 range, 725 or so on math and 625 on verbal. Very strong class standings with difficult course loads can mitigate these requirements somewhat.</p>
<p>When you say your run is a weakness, how much of a weakness are you talking about here? To be perfectly honest, I would train to pass the academy PRT. If you can pass that, you’ll be fine for the CFA except do a few pullups at the end of your workout. If you can’t pass the academy PRT, your life will be miserable at the academy. Trust me, I’ve been there and life sucks when you fail the PRT.</p>
<p>my current cfa stats
push ups 80
sit ups/crunches 80
the ugly part
shuttle 10
pull ups 2
mile 9 min
basket ball through- 70 feet</p>
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Would you please post a link to your source for these statistics? Thanks.</p>
<p>Your run times definitely need improvement. You should aim to have a 7 minute mile or better. Sprint drills will really help improve your times. This is the plan I use and it really helps. To train for PRT’s, I just do up to the quarter mile sprints and keep doing those for a few weeks. I try to do a quarter mile in 1:30 or quicker.</p>
<p>[Improving</a> Your Run Race-Pace](<a href=“http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/cms/article-detail.asp?articleid=312]Improving”>Improving Your Run Race-Pace)</p>
<p>Pull ups will improve drastically by weight training if you have access to a gym. Do back and shoulder exercises (lat pulldowns,shoulder press, rows, etc) for a few weeks and you’ll be fine.</p>
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Just from various briefings. Sorry. The 1200/600/600 is relatively common knowledge in that repeats, among other things, when asked about SAT scores, are told just to ensure 600/600. It is so they don’t need a waiver.</p>
<p>When looking at average SATs, one has to remember that nearly 1/3 of the class has sub-par SATs which is why they either spent a year of prep or a year at another college. The greatest majority of these, NAPS, annually fall in the 1050 range. Some raise them while at NAPS, others don’t. USNA normally reports an average SAT in the 1250 range. With 1/3 in the 1050 range, the remainder have to be in the 1350 average range. When looking at the profiles, many fail to realize that these statistics include those who were admitted via prep programs,many despite their SATs.</p>
<p>Who provides a waiver for sub 600/600 M/CR SAT scores? I’ve never heard of anyone requiring or receiving one on any of the academy boards. As far as I can remember none of the B&G Officers that post admission requirements have ever mentioned a waiver for SAT scores. Fortunately this is not an issue my son has but I’m sure others would be interested in how this minimum 600/600 SAT requirement actually works. </p>
<p>I’ve also been told that the SAT averages that the academies release does not include the scores of those students that are entering from NAPS. Where are the NAPS stats posted?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>You’re going to see precious few statistics out there on NAPS. I’m sure the academy keeps such statistics, but they almost NEVER make them public. </p>
<p>Let’s face it, NAPS is for …
- candidates who have some redeeming quality that makes them a desired midshipman <em>except</em> they are either academically weak -or- have not previously taken challenging enough courses.
- somebody who has been out of academic circulation for a while - oftentimes prior enlisted. It is used to get them back into the swing of things.
- recruited athletes who the academy thinks will help the school be competitive at the Div I level who, however, have holes in their academic background.</p>
<p>Consequently, the NAPS statistics are never going to be as impressive as the statistics of those admitted directly to the academy without the need of a preparatory school.</p>
<p>I am grateful for all of the information,Thank you guys! This is a lot of stuff!
I never heard of this waiver thing but hopefully when I retake the sat my scores will reflect the time and effort I have put in this summer. Thanks again everybody!</p>
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Evidently the USNA is sharing the stats with SONG72. You’d think the 600/600 waiver thing would be a matter that is posted somewhere as are the other SA requirements.</p>
<p>When people talk about waivers, there are many assumptions about candidates and profiles. Averages can point the direction and lend to some generalization, but increasingly, as we are seeing, the exceptions are ruling the day and in case of those exceptions, all the averages and assumptions need not apply. </p>
<p>I’m unaware of waivers being required for the many exceptions below the 600/600 SAT levels. While we’re always learning about moving targets, that’s the first time I’ve ever heard that. Can anyones validate, edify, or correct information that may be incorrect?</p>
<p>WP, you should be aware by now, that some who post hereon are loose with their verbiage [unless it complements what they said to begin with]; wiith precious few facts to back them up either way.</p>
<p>You have it correct when you state you are “unaware of waivers being required” for sub-1200 SAT scores. That’s because there are no “waivers” for lower SAT levels.</p>
<p>Those who have lower SAT scores are either rejected or offered NAPS. There is no “waiver” [as in a standard being waived] in the way one might expect for eyes or other medical issues. Applicants need not fret about this; there is no way to apply for a waiver. Your package either supports admission or its doesn’t. [At least as so far as grades, SATs, extra-curriculars, etc. are concerned.]</p>
<p>If a sub-1200 score is to be considered for appointment–for some other good reason–it simply happens as part of the admissions process.</p>
<p>Finally, a little bit of activity on these threads. Thought everybody had simply given up on trying to get any legitimate information on CC.</p>
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Bill0510 How about the above SAT numbers, are they any more accurate than the 600/600 waiver information?</p>
<p>LOL. Become a BGO and attend annual training every year and you will have more statistics, data, and notes than you will ever be able to digest.</p>
<p>SAT slide from a recent presentation:
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<p>The waiver is conducted by the Admissions Board concurrent with the regular review. It only means that they are more critical of the remaining academic qualifications.</p>
<p>And years of watching deferred records suddenly become scholastically qualified the week or so after new SATs above 600 are reported totally supports this 600/600 minimum.</p>
<p>Folks, just because you haven’t heard it on these forums doesn’t mean it isn’t true.</p>
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I didn’t see this post prior to my previous post.
There are two sets of benchmarks for SATs. 550/550 for obtaining a candidate number and 600/600 for qualification as a candidate. These are indeed items to fret about. 550/540 and you may never get a candidate number. And 600/590, your record may never get past the board. Your BGO should be watching these scores and advising you accordingly. While an increase from a 580 to a 600 on math may still not make one competitive, the same is not true for verbal. It could be crucial. Raising a 590 to 600 is probably the single most important thing one can accomplish to enhance their completed package. Again, as my previous post stated, waivers are possible for extraordinary qualities. Also, any candidate reapplying will be told not to ‘fret’ about their SATs if they are above 600/600. If below, take them again. At NAPs, students below 600/600 are required to take the SAT prep course. Those above, aren’t. Notice the trend. No one knows the inner workings of the Admissions Board. However, the 600/600, if at all possible, appears to be critical.</p>
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Just dug up the notes from another presentation titled Average Profile. For entering class of 1200 the average SATs are 665M/635V. For the average NAPS class, 560M/570V. And for the average foundation ‘class’, 660M/620V. I have made a note beside the slide reproduction to the effect, “Avg fm high schl grads only is around 1360.” I didn’t make it up.</p>
<p>Fifteen or so years ago when I was leaving my first week long BGO training session in Annapolis, I jokingly made the comment to the Admissions Officer that now I was an expert. He said, no, the goal of initial BGO training is to prevent one from being dangerous. It took me about ten years to realize the validity of that statement. Apparently, they aren’t successful in every case.</p>