Majoring in German?

<p>It seems like every school I look at, the German Department is pretty weak. I guess it's just not a popular major...? </p>

<p>Anyways, German is what really interests me...I've graduadated a year early so that I can spend 8 months studying at a language school in Germany. That being said, I want to know a good school where I can continue my studies in the US. My top pick schools are BU and NYU (both picked mostly on location). Are these known for strong language departments (I really don't know much!)? Or is it not worth majoring in German and just doing IR?</p>

<p>My scores, if they help:
SAT: 1930
ACT: 28
GPA: 4.0</p>

<p>By the way, I know about Macalester, Bryn Mawr, Bowdoin, etc. Any help would be great. Thanks!</p>

<p>Wisconsin Madison. One of the top German depts in the US. The Chancellor is a former German prof at Cornell.</p>

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<p>According to the NRC ranking of German departments, NYU comes in #26, which is pretty good.</p>

<p>[NRC</a> Rankings in German](<a href=“http://www.stat.tamu.edu/~jnewton/nrc_rankings/area6.html]NRC”>http://www.stat.tamu.edu/~jnewton/nrc_rankings/area6.html)</p>

<p>UNC and Duke recently merged German programs to create the largest German department in the country. Both would be reaches for you.</p>

<p>Wisconsin has a larger dept than even UNC and Duke combined.</p>

<p>Friends daughter just graduated from Ohio State U. with German major and she was also awarded a Fulbright fellowship. I believe that all languages/linguistics at OSU are outstanding.</p>

<p>Minoring in German can always be option and taking IR as a major.</p>

<p>Going to school isn’t really so much about what you’re interest in, it’s what you need to learn for a job. If you go to school for German, your career choices will be limited to teaching German and maybe a few misc professions. Now thats fine as long as teaching German is your goal, otherwise you may want to reconsider.</p>

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<p>As far as undergraduate education, that’s very debatable. Very few, if any, of America’s ‘elite’ undergraduate colleges teach vocational curriculums. Although in this economy, there are not many people that can afford to spend 200K studying English literature, dance, or some other major that doesn’t teach direct, marketable skills in the work force.</p>

<p>I’m not sure about the German Department… but Middlebury is very strong in Languages</p>

<p>look at it!</p>

<p>The applied German approach does offer options. Someone at McGill University in Montreal is doing a double major in philosophy and German Literature. As some of the great philosophers were German, this creates some synergies like allowing him to research the philosophers’ writings in their native tongue. </p>

<p>I don’t know how strong McGill is relative to other schools in German, but he loves his professors. He will be doing his junior year abroad in Germany paying only his McGill fees. As the current conversion rate between U.S. and the Canadian dollar, that is quite a deal. Certainly, your G.P.A. is terrific but you may want to get your scores up a bit. At our local school, SAT of 2100 and ACT of 31 appears to be the magic numbers most years. Unfortunately, the buzz about McGill’s affordability and academics have made it more competitive to get in - that is for those that can endure some SERIOUSLY cold winters.</p>

<p>You should look at this article:</p>

<p>[News:</a> Auf Wiedersehen - Inside Higher Ed](<a href=“http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/06/12/german]News:”>http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/06/12/german)</p>

<p>I would consider double majoring in German and a more ‘marketable’ major such as Economics or IR. By the time you get to college, it sounds like you will be essentially fluent in German and therefore able to immediately take the advanced major classes. This would mean that you are able to take fewer classes to get the major and leave room open for another major.</p>

<p>In other news, I regularly take German at Middlebury and the department is amazing. All of the teachers are the nicest, most supportive people you will ever meet.</p>

<p>If German is what really interests you, go for it I don’t think it you should conclude that it’s not worth it just because you haven’t yet identified a strong department. If you read the article to which Pointoforder linked, I don’t think that should lead to a conclusion that it’s not worth it, either. </p>

<p>At many universities, German has relatively small number of majors. This is generally true even at the most highly ranked universities. A similar situation applies for certain other, less popular languages, such as Russian. In fact, due to budgetary reasons and the small number of majors in certain languages, many colleges and universities consolidated these departments. Hence, you often see a combined German & Russian Department. The other trend that is particularly prevalent among German departments is to shift away from a traditional focus only on German language and literature studies. Many departments now emphasize interdisciplinary German cultural studies, including intellectual history, film, philosophy, art history, music, etc., in which German-speaking regions made major contributions. </p>

<p>If you are interested in IR, your more in-depth study of German will be advantageous compared to the minimal language requirements specified for many IR programs (often, just 2 years). That being said, you should look at ways to enhance the value of a major in German. You can double-major In German and IR, or another field, you can major in IR with a German minor, etc. Some universities also offer area studies programs focused on contemporary Europe, either as a sub-concentration within an IR major, or as an interdisciplinary major by itself. If you have any interest in teaching German at the high school level, getting a dual major in another language might give you an edge since you could teach 2 languages. (For example, currently there is some demand for high school Latin teachers.) A German major also could be enhanced by taking some business courses in core business fields (accounting, marketing. etc., and international business.) If you have or develop an interest in pursuing graduate study, there are lonely very limited job prospects in German (and all humanities disciplines for that matter) at the university level. As for IR, it is a very popular major these days, but most majors will not get related jobs in the foreign service or international organizations (particularly, without good language skills). Those types of jobs are very competitive, and work experience, language skills, and a graduate professional degree in IR count for much more valuable. In fact, other than requiring you to take coursework in related areas (e.g., international economics), I don’t see much advantage of an IR degree over a sub-concentration in IR within a political science dept. </p>

<p>So, to find a school with a good German dept., look at size of the program (# of majors, # of graduate students, # of professors, # of courses). Size won’t be an absolute indicator of quality, but it makes it gives you some idea of the strength of a department at a particular school. The previous posters’ suggestions of Wisconsin or Ohio State are good in this regard. (A state school in a state with a prominent German ethnic heritage, such as Wisconsin, is more likely to have a strong German dept. and definitely better protected against cutbacks than schools in some other states.) Indiana University is another possibility. Even though this means you might end up at one of the larger universities, you still may have good opportunities to interact with your professors since a German dept. still would be smaller relative to other depts., Size also gives you some indication that a department is not on the chopping block for cutbacks or elimination. Look for a dept. that is just a German dept. and not one that is combined with other languages *e.g., German & Russian, or Modern Languages). Look at the faculty—did they get their doctorates a top-ranked universities? Look at the social activities for majors----does the dept. have an active German club. Are there opportunities to live in a “Deutsch Haus” or language-themed dorm? Often, you can find this information on a department’s website. Look at the opportunities to study abroad. Look at course offerings in cognate fields—are there a sufficient number of courses in German history, politics, etc. Does the school have coursework or majors you want in IR or in IR in the political science dept. Is there a business school where you can access courses in international business (just in case that’s an area where you want to put your language skills to work). Does the dept. faculty have some people who specialization in applied linguistics/second language acquisition?----possibly important if they’ve incorporated the best language teaching methods into their language courses. Are there native speakers on the dept. faculty or people who got their degrees at German universities? What German courses are offered—does it include coursework in film, cultural studies, etc.? Are these cultural courses taught in German or in translation? Does the dept. have resources such as a German film collection, a reading room with subscriptions to periodicals in German, etc. Does the dept. require or encourage its students to take exams such as those offered by the Goethe Institute or other German cultural organizations? If you think you might be interested in teaching, does the German dept. or a linguistics dept. offer coursework in second language pedagogy? Ditto for translation and interpretation. While these suggestions don’t necessarily point o particular schools, it gives you a starting point. Finally, email the departments that interest you and obtain more information. Ask them about these considerations I mentioned above—they’ll be only too happy to make the case for their dept.</p>

<p>zapfino- i want to thank you so very much for that kind and well thought out response. i can’t believe there are such nice people on this board who take the time to really give their input. i have gained more knowledge on this thread than from the hours of research i’ve done on the internet. thank you a million times over for all the responses! i take the advice i get here on CC very seriously! it means a lot to me.</p>

<p>I considered German as a major but couldn’t find any SUPERB departments anywhere. I didn’t really want to go anywhere the department wasn’t outstanding. And then I didn’t know what job I would have… because I don’t want to be a teacher. So now I will most likely do IR with a German minor. That way when applying for jobs, I would look more solid with the IR background. You could do something like that and then work abroad in Germany, or with a German business, German relations… etc. IR is a safer route in my opinion.</p>