Math Senior year - bfa mt programs

I know the OP has already made their decision, but I wanted to throw a comment in about dual enrollment which @Walker1194 mentioned above. The HS school where I teach offers dual enrollment (and postsecondary). The tricky part there, is that unless you are planning to stay fairly local for college-which many MTnkids do not- the college credit might not transfer. Many HS’s partnership for both programs is with a CC, and, in my experience, private and/or academically selective schools will be far less likely to accept those credits. AP is a national system, and therefore much more likely to “work” if you end up far from home. I know kids in the BFA world and the “regular” world (my own students) who have done full senior year postsecondary/dual enrollment, only to find out that NONE of the credits transfer, while friends who took AP classes in similar subjects and end up at same college have their credits transfer. Just one more thing on the list to investigate- IF you/your kid are interested in having credits out of the way when you, start college. Also- fwiw, AP stats fulfilled D’s math requirement at NYU

Both of my kids did dual enrollment and had no trouble with colleges accepting the credit. Some of the colleges that accepted their credit were NYU, Elon, Michigan, University of Denver, Penn State, SMU and more. One of my kids even began college with enough hours to be classified as a senior in freshman year (although this was only a classification since they were all 200 level and lower, but did give my kids perks allowed only for seniors at the school).

Each school does have different requirements. Many require that the classes not be taught by correspondence. Some require that they not be taught in a high school setting or that high school students no make up the majority of the students. NYU would not accept any credit that was used in fulfilling the requirements for high school graduation (which in the OPs case is not a problem because her daughter has already met all of her math requirements).

In the case of my own kids, their courses were never taken in a high school setting. All courses were taught at a community college or state university and they were usually the only high school kids in the classes. we have been very pleased that we chose to do dual enrollment.

Now this may be a technical distinction from state to state- but what you describe @Dusing2 is what I would call “post secondary” - the student is taking classes AT a CC or local college, and the majority of kids in the class are college age. Dual enrollment is where a class taught IN the HS is also offered for college credit, and all the students in the class are HS age. Dual enrollment is fairly new to my state (ohio) so is still being worked out between HS/colleges. Post secondary has been around for decades, and therefore is much more established. As I said, for kids staying in state it has generally not been an issue (esp for public universities, which the majority of the kids in my district tend to choose). BUT I have known kids (as I said, Arts and non) who have gone on to schools like: Northwestern, Boston, NYU, Emerson, MIT, Berkley, Indiana, Case, Vassar, who have had trouble getting postsecondary/dual enrollment credits to transfer. The guidance counselor a at my school generally recommend kids planning to go out of state or to academically selective schools to stick with AP rather than postsecondary for ease of credit transfer. This may be unique to Ohio, other states may have a better, or smoother system. As with so much else, you need to decide what works best for your family and your plans!

My D’s dual enrollment classes have fulfilled college requirements, but we were careful to make sure she took only on-campus, university (not community college) courses. (Not that there’s anything wrong with CC classes; we just wanted to give her the best shot at the credits counting.) She was also the only high schooler there.

However, D took those classes to follow her interests at a deeper level, show herself and other colleges that she can handle college work, and obtain letters of recommendation from the professors. Having the credits transfer was a fabulous bonus. It all worked out terrifically!

While she enjoyed taking these courses, we opted not to have her take them her senior year. Missed classes counted seriously against the student in the ones she took, and we didn’t want to have to worry about that with the audition schedule. We were both relieved to not have that concern during the audition season (just like the relief she felt at not being involved in productions during that time).

Dual enrollment here also means going to a Community College to take classes (not classes in the HS). My D’s did not do that - but a million years ago, my husband did - and he never regretted it! My oldest D chose to do AP classes at an offsite facility - but my youngest (MT) D didn’t drive until this summer, and so didn’t pursue any options that required her to leave campus.

My kids most certainly were in dual enrollment programs. They attended a public high school that paid all of the tuition, fees, and books for them to attend the college classes. All of the coursework was on their high school transcript, as well as on separate transcripts from the colleges and universities. Their high school is classified as a dual enrollment high school, and was recognized as such by every school they applied to, including colleges in Ohio (BW, Wright State, CCM). Every school required a high school transcript with all college coursework included on the transcript and separate transcripts from the colleges. Had my kid chosen to attend NYU, we were told that the high school would have had to explain exactly which courses were required courses for HS graduation.

The Early College High School system my kids attended offers college courses on their high school campuses (taught by college faculty) or the students may take some (or all) college courses at our local college campuses. Many kids (mine included) graduate from high school with an associate degree. One student that I know graduated with a BS in engineering.

Not all dual enrollment programs are alike, but ours was wonderful and has not been a problem for us transferring credit. As was mentioned, some schools do not accept the credit and we quickly eliminated them from our college lists. However, there are very few of those schools. Yale does not accept the credit, but Harvard, MIT, and Stanford does. So it is very easy to find top schools that will accept the credit.

Both my daughters applied for college intending to be music majors, and so we knew they might very well go out of state. Our local hs has an IB program, lots of AP classes and also a dual enrollment program with our local community college ( classes taken at the cc)
Neither elected to do IB, much to the scandal of various guidance counsellorx but it definitely wasnt the right fit for them for many reasons not least of which was very heavy hs training and performance schedules. ( This did not work to either of their dusadvantage in getting into some very good private schools despite us being warned that it would btw!)
However we did strongly advise them to do AP and they both did quite a few, particularly my oldest daughter. Almost every school that accepted them took all or most of these classes as college credit fwiw.

If she’s already taken regular statistics, AP would probably be a piece of cake. I took it as a junior (my school doesn’t offer regular statistics) and did not find it to be too difficult. The workload was pretty mild for an AP, even though I did fine on the test and got college credit for it. It depends a lot on your teacher and your school! At mine, homework was rarely graded, so that took a lot of the pressure off.

My S took both post-secondary and AP courses. He received “credit” for all 7 of his post-secondary courses (taken at a 4-year university) and his AP courses. The rub for most MTs? The curriculum is a progressive, blocked 4-year course of study. He may be able to pick up a minor if scheduling permits but there is no way to shorten the 4-year program.

Actually, at NYU/Tisch, my daughter had several friends get their BFA in 3.5 years, due to having enough credits.

Due to ap/college program credits, if my D does the “standard” curriculum she would graduate in 3.5 years (NYU requires 3 years of studio to graduate) If she does a summer or J term she could easily graduate in 3 years- and she has some friends who are going to do that. BUT she really wants to do the 4 years of training (in her studio there are fantastic performance opportunities and industry exposure in 4th year). What is nice is that she will be done with all requirements early, which opens up a lot of room for interests, specializing (she loves stage combat and wants to pick up a certification there) and/or the ability to be auditioning during 4th year

My son, also, will have enough credits to graduate this year (junior year) but his program is structured so that there is a lot of becoming-a-professional curriculum senior year and he doesn’t want to miss that. Things like setting up a website, creating a reel, the showcase etc.

S’s AP Calc (taken Junior year) and four years of Math (8th grade Geometry counted) got him out of all Math requirements at WSU. That’s all fine and dandy, but I doubt he’ll gain any ground as far as number-of-years-to-graduation goes - unless he does summer classes. As a rising sophomore, he has yet to be able to fit a single required academics into his schedule. His AP English got him out of everything but the required Composition class and so far he has not been able to schedule it - including his upcoming Fall semester. On the upside, he HAS been able to take extra dance. That’s good for the brain, right?. . .

D was able to graduate in 3 years, but it’s worth noting that at her school the dual-credit courses she’d taken were not eligible for college credit but AP courses (with scores of 5 or sometimes 4) were accepted, so as has been said you’ll want to verify specifics at each school.

It seems senior year is filled with the showcase/industry exposure work in many of the programs. It is an interesting “something else to consider” when looking at and comparing programs. A number of the upperclassmen we have spoken with are in the same boat as @Jkellynh17 S - enough accumulated credits for a degree but wanting the year to learn the industry (vs just learning the craft).

Also, what’s the hurry? College is special. It’ll be over soon enough. (I know, the money…)

I graduated from college in 3 years. While I certainly don’t regret the decisions, I do wonder why I was in such a rush :slight_smile: Adulthood is long and full of “obligations”- stay in the dorm as long as possible!

My daughter would not have wanted to graduate in less than four years from her BFA. She already graduated high school at age 16, and was set to graduate college at age 20.

However, I just want to point out that at NYU/Tisch, where several friends did graduate in 3.5 years, they were able to do a showcase in January of senior year. Close friend booked lead on national tour immediately and others on Broadway and such. I was just pointing this out due to another post saying that with a set curriculum for a BFA, that this might not be possible but at Tisch, it is possible.

I graduated college in 3.5 years, but not due to having credits when starting college. I wasn’t living in a dorm at that point and in fact, was already married.

I think what @artskids is referring to is the fact that at many, many MT programs, the classes required to graduate are very specifically scheduled and students are expected to go through the program as a group. They are not given much flexibility to take classes in advance of their peers. But as with all things MT, this requirement varies from program to program. Obviously, NYU offers a lot of flexibility within their program so graduating early is a possibility. Other programs such as Penn State, expect students to take their MT classes all together as a group during the same semester of the same year culminating in all graduating/showcasing together at the end of their senior or 4th year. If possibly graduating early is something you are interested in, definitely check with the schools to which you are applying. Some may allow it, some may not.

^^exactly @vvnstar. As with everything in this crazy process, for every “rule,” there are just as many exceptions!