<p>Mcgill or UofToronto?</p>
<p>I take McGill, but that's just my opinion.</p>
<p>Only seen toronto from the little india neighborhood next to it, and I was only in little india for like 45 minutes (visiting a friend of my older brothers). Never seen McGill at all.</p>
<p>ranking wise, utoronto is higher than mcgill, usually placing first in canada.</p>
<p>Except for when it doesn't. As I recall, Macleans had Toronto first in '04, McGill first in '06, and the two tied for first in '05. Which one is better for you depends on your interests and the respective strengths of the universities in those areas. I, for instance, am going to McGill partially because of its strength in linguistics.</p>
<p>McGill is definately better. </p>
<p>I did not even complete my application for U of T properly and I got accepted way before McGill accepted me.</p>
<p>if you're planning to work in the U.S, UToronto has better networks than mcgill. sure, the average joe on the street may know mcgill over UofT, but isn't what graduate school admissions or job recruiters think of that matters?</p>
<p>i'm not sure that is true. I might be bias because i am from mcgill myself. However, before choosing mcgill, I asked my sister who is doing an MBA in Stanford to ask her proferssors and classmates McGill or UofT, only 1 guy said U of Toronto is better. (& he's a undergrad UofT)</p>
<p>that makes you the second guy. well, maybe you're right and for the past year UofToronto has established better networks. But that is highly unlikely... & in my opionion, McGill is much better than U of Toronto.</p>
<p>student1, I don't know where you get that impression, but McGill certainly has a much higher appeal and network connections in the States than UofT. I don't think that is contested- if Americans have heard of anywhere in Canada its McGill above all else.</p>
<p>Student1, McGill is actually ranked higher in Maclean's and THES this year. In both rankings, McGill is number 1 in Canada. And like rideltrain said, the reputation thing is really no contest. There's a reason why Americans like to call McGill the "Harvard of Canada".</p>
<p>How do they differ in terms of academic competitiveness i.e. class averages and such. I read on the mcgill site that only 1% of first year students attain an 3.70+ average :(</p>
<p>Wow. I am just completely freaked out by grade deflation at McGill.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, college is nearly the real world.
An A means EXCELLENT. You can't tell me that all of you believe you're so excellent that you deserve A's in everything. Getting C's at a good school like McGill and graduating with a degree after working your ass off is better than getting inflated A's at Harvard. Remember, the average grade should be a C, not an A.</p>
<p>It is all fine and noble that one can say they got a degree that they worked hard for, but a C average doesn't really help you to get into grad school does it? Not only am I fully aware that university is the "real world", but I am so aware that I want to be sure that if I go I will be able to hold my own. No one said that they thought they were the best! It is a matter of doing well and being able to move on to grad school, or onto a good job.</p>
<p>First, it is very possible to get good grades, but it does take much hard work and effort. This is not a brag (but it could be:) ), my d. has a 3.8 GPA after three semesters in Arts & Sciences. That being said, she studies about 4-5 hours every day and is very diligent about staying on top of her work, before dealing with her social life.</p>
<p>Grading is not on a curve, but the ranges are different from the U.S. normal system. A current student could confirm this, but over 85 is an A, over 70 a B, 60 a C. There is definite grade deflation, but only compared to the inflated systems prevalent in higher ed. An A is an accomplishment a student should be proud of obtaining.</p>
<p>I've said this in the other thread, I'll say it again, average test grades at mcgill (in the arts and management program) are desgined to be at a flat 65%. my cousin's professor stressed this on the first day of her class. i don't know anything about utoronto though.</p>
<p>grad schools know how hard McGill is...
My advice: work hard and do your best. The rest will take care of itself.</p>
<p>UofT is as brutal as McGill is but it's much more impersonal because of the sheer size of the student population (especially in first year classes) and the physical size of the campus. The downtown campus alone requires a bus to get from one end to the other for some classes (or you can choose to be 15 minutes late).</p>
<p>As far as on a program by program basis.</p>
<p>UofT's Economics and Linguistics program at the undergrad level are superior, McGill probably has the better Poli-Sci, Med programs. I think UofT's Commerce/Management Program is better than McGill's Management.</p>
<p>My queries are related to the B.Com program:</p>
<ol>
<li><p>How do the employers view the degrees of difficulties, in getting higher grades, at McGill?</p></li>
<li><p>If one considers, the B.Com degree from Richard Ivey/UBC/McGill/U Toronto, how do the employers view the grades as obtained by students in the different universities?</p></li>
</ol>
<p>In my honest opinion, an undergrad education (like B.Com) should lead to either a profession (Consulting/Banking/Accounting/Auditing/..) or higher studies in chosen fields like Finance/ Corporate Law/..</p>
<ol>
<li>How does McGill measure upto on placements within 3 months, for an international student?</li>
</ol>
<p>Add Shulich School of Business at York U to your list. All my business-minded peers cut off their eyelashes for it. I only know one person who got in and she had a 94% average. Waterloo ain't bad either. A friend of my dad's holds a high position at a big accounting firm, and he was going on and on about how they recruit from Waterloo every year because "they are simply the best".</p>