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I will tell you right now, in Europe the University of Toronto is far better known than McGill.
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I believe McGill is better known in Europe, as that is what my violin teacher (from Hungary) told me.</p>
<p>from what i have heard, and from books i have read
U of toronto seems to be the best known in europe and asia,</p>
<p>and
Rocen
dont forget that McGill might have one of the most competitive undergrad music programs in north america, so
if a violin teacher from hungary knows mcGill better, it might be because violin teachers are particularly more aware of the music world and industry</p>
<p>I don't know, whether UK was considered while talking about 'reputation in europe'. In UK, esp. in London, you will find more McGill graduates than any other university from Canada. Same is the case in HongKong and Singapore. In China, McGill is extremely well regarded as a 'great engineering school'. My observation is based on my personal experience and may differ from the experience of others.</p>
<p>If name recognition is a point of concern, the 3 Canadian universities that are most well known in UK/Europe/Asia are UToronto, McGill,UBC (in no particular order). </p>
<p>I don't think it makes any sense to reject one for the other (between McGill and UToronto) based on reputation!</p>
<p>I'm Canadian and I've lived in continental Europe for three years. My experience is that University of Toronto is much better known than McGill.</p>
<p>Rivalry? It seems like Montreal people feel like there's a rivalry whereas in Toronto people don't really care what happens in Montreal. In the last few years it seems like the much more significant rivalry is between Toronto and Ottawa, simply because of hockey.</p>
<p>it's funny because i was just speaking to a friend of mine last night who is an exchange student from the UK. he told me that without a doubt, McGill was the most well known Canadian uni in the europe. i've gotten the same comments from a former co-worker of mine from France. anyway, this is just from my experience. however there are articles out there that touch upon the subject, like the THES quote i provided before which came from the THES 2006 rankings. the exact quote was: "McGill's breadth and international reach make it the most visible of Canada's institutions".</p>
<p>bigtwix, are you sure McGill's music program is one of the most competitive in north america? i've heard really good things about the school of music but when i think of the most competitive music programs, i think of Julliard, Curtis, Yale, CIM, Indiana, etc.</p>
<p>some times i say stupid things
i dont know why i was saying that
but im pretty sure that it is insanely competetive
but yeah
i would say like yale and juliard are definitely more competetive</p>
<p>McGill's music program is indeed one of the most competitive in North America</p>
<p>no totally
i do agree
but i dont think it is exactly liek as competetive as juliard, and yale</p>
<p>but still
world class and very competetive none theless</p>
<p>Right... so I visited McGill yesterday and...
Wow, someone help.
I didn't so much like Montreal (Although I may not have seen the nice parts?), and I definitely preferred Toronto when I went last April. I got my acceptance to UTSC today, and now, I don't know what to do...
I don't speak French. Everyone seems to speak French, I ran across maybe two people who spoke just English in Montreal, even the people at Starbucks speak broken English. It's -500 Fahrenheit there in the winter, and while the McGill campus was so beautiful and the biology program seems nice, as well as all of the buildings (And the architecture), and I can certainly see myself fitting in with the student body, the city is just not there. I'm not feeling it. I've always had a terrible, terrible ability to pick up languages (I got a C in my last Spanish class... and not completely due to lack of effort) and while I might have an interest in learning French, I doubt I'd be able to do it very well or as naturally as I speak English.
UTSC seems like a nice place too, but I haven't visited it and I've heard it's mostly a commuter school. Please, I need some form of constructive advice. I've heard UTSC is better with the life sciences, and I'm looking for a four year degree in biology which will get me into a good graduate program, but I can't survive four years in a town where I'd be totally alienated. So for those advocating McGill, I'm looking for some sort of reassurance, something, but please, I'm hopelessly deadlocked and any advice is truly appreciated.</p>
<p>whats UTSC</p>
<p>University of Toronto Scarborough.</p>
<p>UTSC doesn't have the nicest looking campus or surrounding area, I mean its in scarborough. Ask anyone who lives in toronto about scarborough and their reply will always be negative, even replies from those who live there. A large percent of the population are commuters that live in scarborough or some other part of toronto. UTSC does NOT have a better science program than McGill, UTSG has stellar science programs so might be confusing the two campuses. The people I know who are actually enthusiastic about going to UTSC are going there for the Management program which is very well regarded there. UTSC simply wont provide you with all the intagibles that McGill does, international recognition, vibrant and diverse student body, great campus, lower drinking age, academic rigour, etc. UTSG is a completely different story, it would probably then come down to what city you like better.</p>
<p>When I applied through OUAC, it never really gave me (105f International) a chance to choose which campus. I chose life sciences, and then it plopped me in Scarborough. Is there any way to switch between SC and SG?</p>
<p>sg is way cooler than sc</p>
<p>But is there any way to transfer from SC to SG before the term starts?</p>
<p>idk..............</p>
<p>No you cannot transfer from SC to SG before the term starts, you've had to have applied to SG seperately during the normal admissions process. Also, you do not choose a campus per se when you apply through OUAC. Each program code from each U of T campus is different. The program code for life science at UTSC is TSL and the one for UTSG is TLG. So OUAC did not "plop" you in at scarborough you simply put in the wrong program code.</p>
<p>Another thing to consider is the cost. I know for a resident of Quebec, the cost of Mcgill is about 3000 a year. How much would the cost be for u of t?</p>
<p>UTSG is approximately 5400-8400 for tuition alone, and these figures are for ontario residents only. I would assume it would be near 10 000 or more a year for tuition for out of province students and internationals.</p>
<p>Language should not be a reason to discount McGill. I walked around Montreal and didn't use more than two words of French. I had perfectly coherent conversations with everyone I talked to (this included sales reps at phone stores, waiters, etc.). I only had one instance of "broken english", and that was from a waiter from Chez Cora (Cora's), and that was no big deal.
The big picture, however, is feeling. You don't necessarily need to love a school, you just need to feel it. I, for one, happen to enjoy the sensory overload of big-city life (this from a Chicago suburbanite), so I was just fine in the middle of the Montreal action. If you don't feel it, though, that's a different story. You should ultimately go where you feel most comfortable (yet part of me says you should also go to the place with the best program).
If prestige is a big deal to you, I'm a mid-westerner from the US, and I've never heard anything about UT, let alone UTSC (I didn't learn about UT until I came up to Ottawa, and talked to a guy who was doing grad work at UT...long story).
Basically, you can always make a big city/school feel small, however, you can't always make a small-town/school feel big.</p>