No one ever said vaccines are a miracle that work for everyone. But normal people who believe in science know that the benefits far, far outweigh the disadvantages. We also know that people who free-ride are creeps.
Not really.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/02/vaccines-are-profitable-so-what/385214/
Goodness, the misinformation that is being spread by californiaaa is ridiculous. I agree with PG. As someone who holds STEM to be the be-all, end-all, you sure seem to be rejecting decades of established science.
@californiaaa
Did you read my response #197? It is a population solution. The benefit is achieved when a high percentage (different percentage for each disease) are vaccinated.
Really? Citation? And are those side effects better or worse than getting meningitis or measles or mumps or whooping cough?
If they are approved by the FDA, by definition in the U.S. they are adequately studied. What definition are you going by?
Not true. Pharma companies would love to get OUT of the vaccine business. You know how pharma companies make money? Through drugs that you take every day (e.g., cholesterol meds, high blood pressure meds, antidepressants) , not by vaccines that you get once or twice in your life.
How would you know this? Did you do your own survey?
That would be 70% more effective than not getting the vaccine. Besides, as I said, they work on a population basis.
Actually, it is. If everyone (medically able) got all vaccines, there would be more protection for everyone.
Also multithousand dollar oncology wonder drugs, just as a side note.
^^^^Yes, that too. They make most of their money in rent-seeking ways having to do with the supply chain, how drugs are packaged for waste, patent manipulation, and other things that that are out of the awareness of people not in the industry.
This vaccine is still in clinical trials! Where did you find the decades of established science?
Side effects are severely underreported.
How would you know this? Did you do your own survey?
Actually, I tried to report side effects after vaccination. It is extremely difficult. I asked pediatrician whether she ever reported side effects after vaccinating children. She said - no. Because pharma companies are very aggressive in following up with the doctors and convincing them that the reported side effect is not related to the vaccine. It is extremely difficult for a doctor to prove that, for example, the fever is related to vaccination, that was done a week ago, and not to a flu. If you try to report side effects, they get very aggressive follow from pharma representatives, that want pediatricians to take this report back. Many pediatricians are just give up and do not report side effects, unless they are extremely severe.
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It benefits population. At the expense of individuals, that get side effects.
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Really? What pushes pharma to STAY in the vaccine business? Goodness of their hearts? Vaccines are profitable.
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Actually, you don’t understand this point. For every particular person, the vaccine is either effective or not. It is not like, 70% effective for everyone.
207 sounds a bit like a conspiracy theory. most side effects don't develop a week later.. So it's quite reasonable to consider that whatever the child developed might not be a direct result of the vaccine.
@californiaaa What your wrote about side effects makes no sense. Doctors do not have to “prove” that it is a result of the vaccine. Indeed, all the side effects that are listed in the prescribing information are all the symptoms that patients experienced within a certain time period after taking the vaccine. So if you are in the clinical trial and get a headache the next day, you report that to your physician and that becomes part of the record. No “proof” is needed that it was “caused” by the vaccine. That’s why the prescribing information says what percentage of patients experienced each side effect.
After a drug is on the market, you can report a side effect directly to the FDA. No need to go through your doctor. Here–feel free to use this form:
http://www.fda.gov/Safety/MedWatch/HowToReport/ucm053074.htm
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM298183.pdf This should help too. Wanna report an adverse incident-- here ya go.
Californiaa has a lot of conspiracy theories – about vaccine, about government, about elite college admissions. Everything’s a scam directed against her.
Ugh. Called the health dept (for us the easiest place to get vaccines) to schedule D for her second shot of Bexsero and because our state recently changed the vaccine requirement for school age kids, our normally quiet health dept is booked solid through the end of October. They gave the first shot in May…now calling our doctor’s office and elsewhere to see if she can get shot #2 before going back at the end of next week.
@OHMomof2 We also had difficulty scheduling the second dose of Bexsero over last winter break so my daughter arranged to get it at the university health center. I had her wait till classes were over for the semester, which turned out to be a good idea because the arm pain keep her from sleeping the first night.
@OHMomof2 I was using the college health center as my backup plan for the 2nd dose. It was one of the reasons we chose Bexsero over Trumenba since the health center does not offer Trumenba. I suggest you contact the school to see if that would work.
I called, they don’t have it. Will have to be here with her doc (if doc has or can get it) or will have to wait until she’s home for Christmas. Health dept says she is OK with that long a gap between shots (“at least a month” is the rec), but it’s less than ideal because she’snot fully protected with just the one.
Have you tried the pediatrician? My D is kind of transitioning between hers and an adult doctor and the pediatrician’s office had the Bexero and also seemed much more knowledgable about the MB vaccine in general.