Mentally-Abusive Lesson Teachers?!

So I just found this forum unfortunately. I feel like I was all in this myself, because I probably was.

I wanted to be a music major this coming fall and actually made it pretty high in the all-state orchestra in my state. I thought as high in the rankings I got, schools would throw scholarship money at me (because that’s what my directors, friends, family all kept telling me). Well unfortunately after scholarships, room & board have proven to be too much money for the in-state public (mostly) commuter university that I wanted to attend. Loans won’t cover even half of the missed money.

I’m feeling like trash right now because I’ve had to cancel all my offers for admission because of this. I don’t know what to do. Every single music teacher and my private lesson teachers have all told me that if I didn’t go to these universities straight out of high school, went to a community college or if I went to some no-name university that I could basically just consider aspirations of being a music performer OVER–That NO ONE in their right mind would ever want me. Now I’m struggling what to do? What truth does what they all say hold? It’s just depressing that all this has happened and I’m feeling like everything I ever worked for in high school musically has gone to waste. All that time and money gone…

Okay, so you calculated what college would cost, subtracted what you and your family could contribute and you were told music scholarships would cover the difference?

But, there weren’t any to apply for, or you weren’t successful at getting them?

Have you tried elsewhere?

I don’t agree that you have to go to a name school to succeed. When we toured NEC our tour guide had transferred from community college. Conservatories that are free standing tend to be expensive so I don’t know how she was paying for it , perhaps through merit money. I could be wrong, but All State rankings might not mean scholarships.

People who go to less well known schools sometimes go on to good grad schools.
Is your scholarship through financial aid? Does the state school you mentioned offer merit aid? Based on academics or on audition?

Were you admitted to a music school at the university for a BM?

There are many ways you can keep your music going and continue heading for performance as part of your life, whether your sole career or not.

You can take classes part-time and continue with lessons and try to get gigs. What do you play? What genre? Classical, jazz…? I have a daughter who is a dancer who is doing that. She actually transitioned from a 4 year college to an “adult learner” program (at age 22) which is very flexible. But state colleges and universities are flexible as well, and generally allow you to take part-time classes as a matriculated student or as a non-matriculated student.

Many students who want to do music do not even major in it. If you want to major in music you will do a lot of theory, music history, composition, ethnomusicology, etc. as well as performance (if the major includes performance).

As a part-time student, you would still be able to participate in ensembles I would think: check it out.

I know one young man who left school in freshman year and is making a living as a musician, doing gigs. But that may not apply to you and you may really want school right now.

I think you will have to get creative and put together a schedule of work, classes, and playing music. My daughter is doing well with this, as I said, but is not in any hurry because she can perform now.

I just want to say that I feel badly when I read a post like yours. I know quite a few students in this position. What do your parents say? Living at home is seen as a sacrifice by some, but you are fine with that, so you sound like you don’t have high demands or expectations. You have worked hard and DO DESERVE to learn what you want to learn.

Any chance of talking with financial aid? Any special circumstances not reflected in your FAFSA?

Never in all my life, have I considered what college my favorite musicians went to.

Do you need that degree? Yes. It will open doors for you. You’ll learn the ins and outs of music that you won’t know simply by learning to play.

But does the degree have to be from a particular school? No!! Come on, you know this!!!

I would suggest that perhaps it adds to the resume of each of those teachers if they can brag that their students now attend ___ college…perhaps that’s why they pushed so hard. (Not saying it’s professional, just possible.)

Give yourself another half hour for a pity party-- enough time for a massive ice cream sundae. (Hey, chocolate is good for the soul.)

Then sit down at your computer and come up with a Plan A and a Plan B. Schools you can afford, that have a decent music program, that look like a place you want to be, that you can still get into.

OK, go get the ice cream. You have half an hour. :slight_smile:

So, you mention “mostly commuter” school(s) but also refer to room and board costs. Are there any schools nearby that you can commute to and live at home? I know that in our state, room and board costs are almost as much as in-state tuition.

Part of my S’s college research has been to look up where his favorite musicians went to school. You might be surprised how many did their undergraduate work at schools that aren’t on any lists or ever mentioned in forums like this. Any school that offers a music degree is going to have credentialed teachers with potential to help you continue progress in your music education. You can definitely aim for a big-name graduated school, if that’s something you want, and going to a no-name undergraduate school won’t preclude you from being accepted.

Sorry, screen name is right: it looks like you were hoping for a residential experience. Can you get back into a school that is near enough to commute for this year?

There is a university where I live that I can drive to every day if needed. They accept students until two weeks after school starts. But it’s a very small university with a small music program, maybe like 30 students at most. I’ve heard the “orchestra” play and it’s worse than my high school’s orchestra was. I would’ve hoped for a residential experience because that’s where I saw myself several years ago, but it looks like that didn’t happen.

Back in January when I was applying for colleges, I thought about where I was going to go this fall. I did think about going to the university right here in my city, but my private lesson teachers and my directors all had a knee-jerk response of “NO!” There’s another university that my high school typically ships students off to that want to do music, and I even thought about that, and I mentioned it during one of my lessons to my primary private lesson teacher. She wasted our hour lesson to sit down with me and listed all these reasons why I shouldn’t go to either of those universities: Grad schools have pretty much NEVER heard of them. As such, they’re just not GOOD and you’ll be incredibly behind where you actually should be if you went to a big name school. Especially staying here at home and just commuting–our university is Podunk compared to other state schools! (Not sure what that means, but I’m guessing Podunk is a place you don’t want to be?)

Eventually, it got to the point where she was just so upset with me that she started walking out of our lessons and stopped showing up to them altogether since towards the end of senior year, it didn’t look like I would be successfully attending a school for music this fall.

I mentioned private lesson teacherS, as in plural. I do have another one, but she’s a Skype teacher since she moved. And she basically said the same thing, although she was nicer about it. And I kept thinking, “These two ladies have their Ph.Ds in music. What if they’re right?” So this past summer, I’ve been dwelling on what I’d gotten myself into. Since I couldn’t go away to college, I believed that I was a failure to my high school’s music department. I was just there yesterday to check my last class rank since they get rerolled a month after graduation, and also to get some official transcripts for whatever. I managed to run into my directors and old teachers without trying. I was met with the question of “Where are you going to college this fall?” I didn’t know what to say. I basically told them I refuse to answer that question right now.

Where my private lesson teacher wanted me to go: I did win $4,000 in first-year scholarships from the music department and I did get a freshman grant from the university itself, but I don’t think I qualified for merit aid since I didn’t see any in my financial aid package. I called the financial aid office before I graduated and asked if there was any chance I would get some extra money and they said to not count on it.

I definitely could’ve taken out loans to help finance my education, but here are a few problems I encountered… First, those scholarships are good for freshman-year only, and second, the university would’ve cost $19k including tuition and room & board. In my case, after scholarships and loans, I would’ve been left with $8,000 to finance on my own. How on earth would I pay for sophomore, junior, and senior years once the freshman scholarships ran out? Plain and simple, I don’t think I could’ve. I would’ve been stuck, in debt, and no degree to show for it.

And I never thought about the possibility that my lesson teacher only wanted me to go to a big name school just to say “I’m SUCH a good teacher that I’ve got students up at XXXXX university!” Wherever that might’ve been. It’s probably what happened. She was SUPER obsessed with me representing her music studio and when I couldn’t anymore, that’s when she stopped showing up to lessons or walking out of them.

Have you looked into who teaches your instrument at the university in your town? Why not find out, make an appointment for a lesson(s), and at least meet them and see how you feel?

I take it you play an orchestral instrument. Don’t assume that you’re limited to playing in the school’s orchestra. Look into civic orchestras in your town or, if your town is too small, maybe a larger city nearby. Additionally, there are many national and international competitions that are open to any young musician; no requirements about what school/teacher or even be enrolled in college/music school. Nothing to keep you from putting yourself out there.

You will not be the first student to wait until the following year so that they can rehearse, regroup and approach the process with their eyes wide open.

I’m sorry for your situation. It definitely “sucks”. I’m glad you have somewhere to dump your feelings. Unfortunately adults don’t always have the right answers or your best interest in mind. You’ve learned some painful lessons at an early age. You deserve to be mad, dispirited and even crushed. Like a previous poster said, go ahead and be really angry … for awhile…

Then you need to pick up the pieces and move forward with your life. You may feel old after this … but you are still really, really young with your whole life in front of you. AT 18ISH, YOU ARE WAAAAY TO YOUNG TO THROW IN THE TOWEL!! Hopes, dreams and motivation will return. Try not to stay bitter. It won’t help you in the end. Others have given you some good ideas about moving forward. And no, you don’t have to follow the direct path to college after high school. Anyone who tells you that is wrong.

I vote for you working hard for money, buying a cheap car and taking a very long road trip to the city of your dreams and hanging around a real music scene while waiting tables for a year. Or you could do something more sensible…but still wouldn’t that be fun…

Good luck.

This is a difficult situation and it seems that you are suffering in part because you didn’t have good advice leading up to your applications. We have no way of assessing your level of playing but one option that seems to work well for others who find themselves in this situation (and it happens a lot-- you are not alone!) is to take a gap year, continue to work with a private teacher (probably a different one, based on what you write here) and reapply, but doing it in a more calculated way, with hopes of better merit aid. But even so, that might not be enough if your family is not in a position to help you. Another thing to think about is the in-state conservatory: if you get your ACTs up and get A’s in some CC classes, would you be in a position to get you automatic merit aid?

From what I understand, competitive music scholarships get you about 50% tuition. A little more research into a very important step and a little less reliance on teachers that may have had some kind of interest in the outcome might have worked better for you.

I don’t think we can say that there is any homogeneity in music scholarships. Students are offered everything from 0 to full tuition plus room and board (Colburn, for example, or the Juilliard Kovner fellowships.) I don’t know what instrument you play, but if it is a string instrument you might want to look into the McDuffie Center for Strings in Macon, Georgia, where all students are award a full-tuition scholarship and many are offered room and board as well.

http://departments.mercer.edu/mcduffie/

McDuffie students are regularly accepted into top grad schools; they also go to Aspen and other top festivals in the summer. Students also study economics, psychology, business, and other academic subjects. For the right person, it’s a terrific program.

I am sorry you have to go through this , it is one of the biggest problems with music out there, where it can be very, very hard to get good advice and answers, in large part because there is nothing concrete with music admissions, and also that to be blunt, a lot of teachers, whether in-school or private teachers, don’t really know what is required out there for admissions and such, but think they do. For example, if they told you that scoring high in the state all state program would count heavily towards scholarships and such, that tells me they don’t necessarily know the reality. With merit scholarships and admittance, it is all going to come down to your playing ability and usually, financial need as determined by the school (which may or may not reflect reality, but that is another story). All State programs are not necessarily a good indicator of how you will do in terms of admission or scholarships even from a playing level, it totally depends on the state and the quality of the students in it, in some states the top notch music students heading towards music school may not even participate, so you can’t know how good that puts you vis a vis the rest of the students auditioning.

GlassHarmonica is also right, that music scholarships are very, very hard to judge. At more than a few schools, both regular and merit aid are tied to financial need, so even a very talented student may not get a lot of aid. It sounds like from your description you are paying for this by yourself, that your family either can’t contribute or won’t, and the only thing I can suggest is to talk to the schools, explain the situation, and see what they will do. In cases where a family has the means but won’t pay for school, the only way I believe for a student to get more aid would be to declare themselves totally on their own, but that has I suspect a lot of strings to it.

The real question as to you making it really depends on a lot of factors, and it would be premature to count yourself out at this point. First of all, it depends on the instrument and the type of music, parameters are going to be different for someone studying classical violin and someone who is a jazz violinist; a pure orchestral instrument, like a tuba or bassoon, is going to be a different experience than a solo one, it all depends, if you happen to be on an instrument the school needs for its orchestra that is relatively rare, like an English Horn, it might make a big difference with aid then if you are let’s say on violin.

Okay, so you are pulling yourself back together, what do you do? First of all, as hard as it is, don’t let the reactions of your school music department and your private teachers get you down (and yes, it is hard, in some ways it has taken several years for my S to get over some of the negative things from his primary teacher). If they are counting on you to ‘make a name’ for themselves, that is not a good sign, for a lot of reasons, among which teachers first interest should be in helping their students achieve what they can. As we used to say in da old neighborhood “Consider the source”. Personally, the teachers you are talking about should be embarrassed, either they don’t know what the reality is out there and/or they didn’t prepare you well for it.

Secondly, the most important thing IMO is to try and get an idea where your skills are on your particular instrument to see what is going on. If there is a music college nearby with a decent reputation, could you arrange an assessment with one of the teachers there? Or is there are private teacher nearby who has a great reputation? I realize that money may be an issue, but you need to know where you stand. You didn’t mention the programs you got into, but for example, there are a lot of music schools out there of varying levels of competitiveness, and if hypothetically all the programs someone gets accepted at are 2nd or third tier, and they don’t get merit aid, it might reflect on what level they are on (I am saying hypothetically because I am not talking about you, the OP,). Plus if you decide you want to take a gap year to get stronger, you need to know what to work on, what the high points are, the low points and everything in between. There is no shame in doing a gap year, a lot of kids do it to get into the programs they wish to or get more merit aid and such.

It would be helpful to know more about yourself, OP. What instrument do you play? What kind of music are you applying for (you could have done all state orchestra and be applying for jazz)…that might help others give you more information.