<p>^^adjunctified, I am humbled constantly by the Lord to speak the truth. And honored that, as a physician, I am to able to serve others in need (including prospective students here on CC) with my limited knowledge regarding my alma maters. There is no doubt that I am far from perfect, my fellow buckeye alumnus. But Insecure? Probably not. Spirited, Yes! </p>
<p>Ohio State increases financial aid by $50 million</p>
<p>Actually, adjunctified, the difference between six years and four years is one largely based on socio-economic status. I didn’t graduate in four years, and that fact I attribute almost entirely to being a first-generation student and having to finance my own way through college. Yet, I still managed to graduate cum laude and ended up at Chicago for grad school.</p>
<p>I don’t think that I’m an “insecure” Ohio State alum. I, however, am (from my work with the university foundation and development offices) one that is very much aware of how Miami of Ohio, and to a lesser degree many of the other Ohio publics, negatively recruit against Ohio State. </p>
<p>As a former liberal arts student (History and Russian Studies) at Ohio State, I can also state that my experience was almost entirely dealing with tenured or tenure-track faculty. Those classes that did have TA’s were only introductory freshman classes where the Professor organized and taught the main lectures for two days, and the TAs taught smaller recitations for the other two. After that, grad students were primarily confined to the occasional doctoral candidate lecturing the class for a day or two in on the subject of his dissertation. Gee, what a horrible experience of having a young scholar doing cutting edge research in a top 25 (History, Economics) or top 15 (Political Science) department lecturing us on his research.</p>
<p>My advisor edited one of the three major journals in his field (the other two were edited at Stanford and Oxford). I was afforded the opportunity my senior (and fifth) year to take graduate seminars with his doctoral students and also to do the same with graduate classes in philosophy and political science. I ended up with a degree from a top 25 History department and one of the dozen or so Title VI comprehensive research centers in Russian and East European Studies. Those are things that no Miami of Ohio student could have been offered simply because the necessary requirements simply do not exist there.</p>
<p>I would hope that as an OSU alum you would know to be overly cautious of making “always” or “never” statements.</p>
<p>Close family member went to Miami; she was able to work with a leading scholar in the field on Medieval manuscripts. Went on to get major fellowships for graduate schools. Oh yes, from that sub-par school of Miami. They have professors down there too. </p>
<p>As far as her experience there on the whole: She didn’t like some of the mentality or the small town, but she felt her classes were rigorous and the vast majority were taught by tenured faculty. (I can’t say the same thing about my OSU experience, though the experience was positive on the whole and I think OSU has many qualities.)</p>
<p>Of course, she might have been able to do the same thing at Ohio State, or get the same graduate fellowships. Just as you might have been able to go on and do whatever if you’d been at Miami. Who knows. That’s my point–you can’t make sweeping generalizations about OSU’s superiority and Miami’s inferiority. There are obviously good things and bad things about both schools. They offer a different experience. But one is not doomed academically just because they decided to go some place that’s not OSU.</p>
<p>I looked at your past posts, and most of the ones dealing with Miami are extremely negative and bitter. Why is that? Bad experience in Oxford? It really seems to be something of an obsession with you. It seems very personal.</p>
<p>[[Yes, but most kids I know who choose Miami do it at least partly because of the large guaranteed scholarships.]]</p>
<p>Yes, I am sure that some kids at Miami of Ohio are getting merit aid that aren’t getting it from Ohio State. I think that needs to be broken down a bit. Right now there’s a 100 point gap in the average SAT score and a 2+ point gap in the average ACT between the two freshman classes. Miami of Ohio actually runs banner ads on these forums stating that a 26 ACT will guarantee you a scholarship. At Ohio State, a 26 or 27 ACT will guarantee you a spot on the deferred list and maybe even a rejection, so yes there are kids getting scholarships to Miami who don’t get them to Ohio State. In the same vein, I’m sure that there are kids in the 24-25 ACT range who get scholarships to Ohio U. or Cincinnati who don’t get them to Miami.</p>
<p>What happens in the 30+ range when Ohio State actively wants these students? As Sparkeye noted, Ohio State has the resources to throw $50MM towards increased undergraduate scholarships out of what is essentially “couch cushion” change (i.e. the university’s unrestricted investment pool which is another $1B separate from the $3.1B endowment).</p>
<p>Well this is something I’d be interested in knowing as D is a junior, and one of those students. Many high achieving kids from her HS go to Miami or OSU, a few choose DAP/engineering at Cincy or take the formerly-guaranteed-for-stats OU Gateway scholarship (now gone).</p>
<p>She’s definitely applying to Miami and if she gets the full tuition, rather than the half, it will be a strong contender. She isn’t sure she wants to apply to OSU and I’m not sure they’d give her a comparable package. But I imagine that in the end she’ll apply to both and see.</p>
<p>My child got $8000 per year from Miami, $3000 from OSU. In addition, a $2500/year from Miami for a diversity scholarship. She applied to the MSP scholar program at OSU, but we haven’t heard yet. Since we’re almost at full tuition at Miami, it’s way ahead of OSU right now. Stats are 30 ACT and 4.4 WGPA </p>
<p>Personally, I think each offers some very positive experiences and it depends on an individual’s wants and needs. I believe my child would do fine at either school, although I liked the “campusy” feel of Miami. But financially, it’s ahead of OSU for us…</p>
<p>Who cares? I’m guessing that people aren’t exactly breaking down doors to get into Russian history graduate programs. It’s not like you went into clinical psychology or something. </p>
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<p>Yeah, that’s called recruitment in general. It’s a business. I’m sure OSU “negatively recruits” against Miami, OU, Bowling Green and the rest. You make it seem like a crime to want your own school to do well.</p>
<p>Actually, it was The Committee on International Relations and is the equivalent of the Woodrow Wilson School at Princeton and SAIS at Johns Hopkins (also accepted there)…not to mention that it’s a graduate program at the University of Chicago, where I’m certain that every single program is far more selective than 99% of the Clinical Psychology programs around the country.</p>
<p>Assuming that you’re simply not a ■■■■■ playing the disgruntled Ohio State student to make the university look bad, what exactly is it about your experience at Ohio State that has left you so embittered towards your own university and so willing to go out of your way to take up the cause of promoting the Other State Universities over her?</p>
<p>FYI, last time I checked, OSU wasn’t a “her.” </p>
<p>I like OSU–I just don’t like you personally. You’re a bully. </p>
<p>I have a sister who goes to Bowling Green, and the other non-OSU schools are hardly the awful experience you make them out to be. But maybe she won’t end up at Harvard or Princeton for grad school. Guess all is lost then. Just think, if only she’d gone to OSU, she could have gone on to go to the equivalent of (lol) the Woodrow Wilson School … where she could spend the rest of her life giving advice (I mean, mocking anyone who doesn’t agree) on College Confidential.</p>
<p>But to add to the conversation, I’ll probably be choosing between Miami and OSU come April, and like others have said Miami definitely gives more merit aid.</p>
<p>OSU <em>might</em> be more generous with need-based aid. It’s hard to tell as neither one guarantees to meet full need for accepted students as some other states’ universities do. I suspect both preferentially package merit/need for students they really want.</p>
<p>The Committee on International Relations isn’t as selective as a funded PhD program in most fields. And it’s not a funded program. All the master’s programs at Chicago are what’s known as “cash cows”–that goes for MAPSS, MAPH, and all the rest. I actually got into the JFK school at Harvard–same thing there. (Didn’t go.)</p>
<p>I can’t speak to clinical psychology, but I know that most PhD programs in my field only accept about 5-15 people every year out of 300 or so applicants.</p>
<p>I actually want to give a shout-out to the grad programs at Ohio State because they ARE funded. </p>
<p>good god so many catty/petty arguments going on here, chill out. it’s just an forum. anyways, op- speaking from a student perspective here’s my advice: go to whatever school you like better. visit both schools and try to see if you can imagine yourself as a student there and think about how successful and enjoyable the next four years will be there. i got accepted to both osu and miami and visited both. liked miami’s campus but i loveeedddd osu’s campus and the city of columbus. but that’s a matter of opinion so that’s up to you. yes the need-based/merit-based aid differs but that’s just how to cookie crumbles. you can’t expect a huge school like osu to hand out mass amounts of cash left and right. if you are financially-strained, think more economically. otherwise strive for the college you like better regardless of the price tag. if you’re serious and dedicated enough you can find grants and outside scholarships to help cover the cost. don’t let petty things like competition or prestige get in the way of your education cause at the end of the day everyone’s there just to get a degree. where it comes from shouldn’t matter so long as you’ve worked hard and enjoyed your time in college pursuing that degree. </p>
<p>That’s great advice from tsyni101. I know a lot about both schools. I graduated from OSU and my daughter is about to graduate from Miami. Both schools have a lot to offer but they are very different schools. The differences, however, are more matters of individual preference rather than the type of differences that would make one school clearly better than the other. Choose the one that fits you best and that makes the most sense financially for your family. You really can’t go wrong with either one. There is not a meaningful difference in the post-college opportunities between the two schools. Doing well at either one will prepare you very well for life. Good luck</p>