<p>So I’m having trouble picking between the two.</p>
<p>The biggest problem is money. I got absolutely nothing from OSU while I got 10.5K from Miami. But I personally prefer OSU more, and I have more friends there.</p>
<p>I also got into the Scholars Program at OSU while being rejected by the Honors at Miami.</p>
<p>I got into both business schools (marketing). Which one is better, Farmer’s or Fisher’s? I am also planning on double major or minor in psychology.</p>
<p>Any advice?</p>
<p>If your parents can take on the finances for OSU then go there. OSU has a good business school and Ohio State is where many major businesses come to recruit students once it is close to graduation after the Ivies of course. There are many opportunities and things to do and having friends already at OSU also is a bonus. Miami is not a bad school, but I had to choose between those two & Case, but OSU seems to be the better and more obivous choice IMO. Hope to meet you next year!</p>
<p>my parents said I would have to pay for everything myself…</p>
<p>Still OSU. Business is competitive. If you don’t go to the best, you won’t last.</p>
<p>You can apply for honors and scholarships next semester too</p>
<p>I am a third year student at Fisher, and while I absolutely love my school, I don’t think it is worth the full sticker price if your parents aren’t willing or able to help you with costs. The school is great, the business program is very competitive, and the number of companies that recruit here is enormous, but you will still need to carefully consider your choice. </p>
<p>The business program at Miami is well-regarded, and if you want to graduate with as few student loans as possible, I would seriously consider Miami. Business jobs right out of college can pay fairly well- but you probably don’t want to pay back 50k+ worth of student loans upon graduation. </p>
<p>I think if you were willing to work part-time during the school year, and then try to find full-time paid internships in the summers, you could graduate with less debt, but it is still a considerable amount of debt to take on just because you like one school slightly more than another.</p>
<p>Go with Miami. Business schools are comparable. Miami undergraduate program actually ranks 30 schools higher according to Business Week. [Best</a> Undergraduate Business Schools 2011 - Businessweek](<a href=“Bloomberg - Are you a robot?”>Bloomberg - Are you a robot?).</p>
<p>Undergraduate business schools at both schools are comparable–Miami of Ohio does better in Business Week ranking while Ohio State does better in the USN&WR.</p>
<p>Outside of that, however, there really is no comparison. Ohio State has stronger departments, faculty and reputation in virtually anything else one wants to compare. It has a more selective student body. The school is more diverse, and there’s a lot more to do in Columbus than Oxford.</p>
<p>Better student body, really? First year, yes last five to ten years, but almost anyone can transfer in after one year to OSU and there is no selectivity at regional campuses where one out of every three freshman at OSU starts. Miami has the best reputation outside of Ohio along with OSU and has more out of state students so they score a little higher there on diversity there although I know what you mean in general regarding diversity. Miami had a huge application pool, 20,000, this year so selectivity will be even higher next year if they feel history will repeat itself.</p>
<p>OP, you say that your parents are telling you that you have to pay everything yourself. Is that true no matter where you go? If so, you are looking at 80K after 4 years at OSU, and 56K at Miami. (This does not account for the inevitable yearly tuition hikes, so I’m sure it will be more.) How are you paying for that? Are your parents willing to co-sign on loans?</p>
<p>If money weren’t an issue, I’d say you should choose according to what you feel is the better “fit” since the feel of these schools is very different. However, it looks like $ is going to be an issue, in which case I think you should choose the cheaper option, it that is even doable.</p>
<p>I apologize TGR. I forgot that nobody is EVER allowed to point out Ohio State’s strengths vis-a-vis Miami of Ohio…even on the Ohio State forum. It’s simply not allowed.</p>
<p>As for selectivity, once the state allowed Ohio State to compete with Miami of Ohio on an even field in this regard, there has been no comparison. Ohio State didn’t pass Miami of Ohio by last year…more like a decade ago. Today the gap is such that probably a third of Miami of Ohio’s freshman class can’t get into Ohio State.</p>
<p>As for transferring in, Miami of Ohio has exactly the same policies. It’s branch campuses have the exact same selectivity as those of Ohio State.</p>
<p>As for diversity, actually Miami of Ohio has significantly more out of state students (35% to 18%). It’s the only area where they are more diverse, and by diversity, I don’t mean simply race as you seem to imply. Ohio State has more diversity politically, socially, by economic background, by major (2/3 of Miami of Ohio students major in business or education) and any other way (other than oos students) one wants to cut it.</p>
<p>I think OSU offers more opportunities in business.</p>
<p>First of all, the original poster asked for an opinion on MU vs OSU so I don’t think you or anyone else would have a problem with presenting both ways. Second, I don’t know where you get your facts about one-third of the MU students not able to get in to OSU sounds high to me. Third, Miami does not have as many transfers so the pool doesn’t get as dumbed down as it does at OSU. There are only two regional campuses for MU, not six so I would think that fewer kids matriculate from regional to the main campus as OSU. I have a kid at OSU and he is doing great, but I call it like I see it. OSU is not a Michigan, UNC or Virginia. Their standards for transfer are much more selective at those places. OSU has a dual mission, raise academic standards by being more selective on admission the freshman year and as a land-grant school, make an education there attainable for all citizens of Ohio so thus, the lower transfer standards and non-selective regional campuses.</p>
<p>@TGR1958,</p>
<p>First off, it’s great to hear that your son is currently a student at the Ohio State University. Without getting into the specifics of student selectivity or institutional academic reputation between Miami and Ohio State; do note that Miami has drastically dropped something like 30 spots in the last few years while Ohio State has been noted as one of the most “Up-and-Coming” academic institutions in America based on US News annual Ranking. </p>
<p>[Up</a> and Coming Schools |Top National Universities | US News Best Colleges](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/up-and-coming]Up”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/up-and-coming) </p>
<p>The fact of the matter is that TOSU continues to make tremendous academic strives based on its Strategic Plan - “Being Excellent and Becoming Eminent” in becoming one of the best public schools in the nation by 2020. The plan is noted by over 2,000 academics across the nation as the school is currently recognized as the most academically improved colleges in the nation under the leadership of President Gee (former President of Brown & Vanderbilt). In the past few years alone, the school continues to climb in all academic-related rankings and ratings and is destined to become one of the Top-10 Public Universities by decade end as outlined - similar status to UCB, UCLA and Michigan. UVA however, as I’ve pointed out in the past, is a great social sciences liberal arts centric university, besides English and perhaps Business school, it is severely lacking in academic breath and depth across all disciplines compared to Ohio State (as evident based on NRC ratings, ARWU ranking, USNWR departmental ranking, annual Research Expenditures,…etc.)</p>
<p>Being Excellent and Becoming Eminent</p>
<p>[Provost</a> Alutto’s Address to the University Senate 2012 - Office of Academic Affairs - The Ohio State University](<a href=“http://oaa.osu.edu/provost-address-to-senate-2012.html]Provost”>http://oaa.osu.edu/provost-address-to-senate-2012.html)</p>
<p>Furthermore, with all due respect, the founding of Land Grant Colleges did not and do not compromise the academic excellency of these institutions, and certainly has nothing to do with affordability or selectivity in higher education. In fact, both Cornell and MIT were/are Land-Grant. The mission of these institutions simply, as set forth in the 1862 Act is to focus on the teaching of practical agriculture, science and engineering, as a response to the industrial revolution and changing social class.</p>
<p>Last but not least, if anything, TOSU is gaining more and more autonomy as a state operated public institution. </p>
<p>The Enterprise University Plan</p>
<p>[The</a> Enterprise University Plan | Ohio Higher Ed](<a href=“Department of Higher Education”>Department of Higher Education)</p>
<p>The academic momentum is certainly with TOSU in terms of Business School. In fact, Fisher College has recently announced partnership with GE Capital in establishing National Center for the Middle Market.</p>
<p>News: [GE</a> Capital pledges $10M for Ohio State research into middle-market companies - Columbus - Business First](<a href=“http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/blog/2011/10/ge-capital-pledges-10m-for-ohio-state.html]GE”>http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/blog/2011/10/ge-capital-pledges-10m-for-ohio-state.html)</p>
<p>Official Website: [National</a> Center for the Middle Market](<a href=“404 - Page Not Found”>http://www.middlemarketcenter.org/)</p>
<p>Summit 2011 On Youtube: [Middle</a> Market Summit 2011 at Fisher College of Business - YouTube](<a href=“Middle Market Summit 2011 at Fisher College of Business - YouTube”>Middle Market Summit 2011 at Fisher College of Business - YouTube)</p>
<p>Sorry about the earlier post in terms of grammar and syntax errors, I was in a hurry wrapping up my tax filing… lol</p>
<p>Here is what I forgot to add in terms of the job outlook and opportunities as noted by “RMGsmom” when compared between Miami Farmers and Ohio State Fisher based on Wall Street Journal survey of top recruiters at Fortune-500 companies across the nation, published in September 2010.</p>
<p>These schools produced the best graduates in each major, according to recruiters.</p>
<p>Rankings by Major </p>
<p>[School</a> Rankings by College Major – Job Recruiter Top Picks - WSJ.com](<a href=“School Rankings by College Major – Job Recruiter Top Picks - WSJ”>School Rankings by College Major – Job Recruiter Top Picks - WSJ)</p>
<p>Ohio State University</p>
<p>“Students show the following traits: Results oriented, solving problems, setting goals, extracting important information, defining needs, selling ideas or products, decision making with others.”</p>
<p>“Relevant coursework to our business practices…students often have relevant work/intern experience.”</p>
<p>“… very strong programs in both engineering and business and we find that their students are location flexible. We also find that they compete well against some of the other top-string programs in the country.”</p>
<p>[Job</a> Recruiter Comments on Top Colleges for Hiring - WSJ.com](<a href=“Job Recruiter Comments on Top Colleges for Hiring - WSJ”>Job Recruiter Comments on Top Colleges for Hiring - WSJ)</p>
<p>The Top 25 Recruiter Picks </p>
<p>(Ohio State grads comes in at no. 12 in the nation, ahead of schools such as Cornell, Berkeley, UCLA, MIT, UNC,…etc.)</p>
<p>[Best</a> Colleges & Universities - Ranked by Job Recruiters - WSJ.com](<a href=“Best Colleges & Universities - Ranked by Job Recruiters - WSJ”>Best Colleges & Universities - Ranked by Job Recruiters - WSJ)</p>
<p>Best of Luck & Go Bucks! :)</p>
<p>P.S. To OP, both Marketing & Psychology are also highly-regarded programs at TOSU!! In fact, Psychology program is ranked #17 in the nation, tied with Columbia, Northwestern and Cornell. Whereas, Marketing undergrad major comes in at no. 15 in the country!!</p>
<p>Source: <a href=“http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-humanities-schools/psychology-rankings[/url]”>http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-humanities-schools/psychology-rankings</a></p>
<p>I have noticed that many of the smart kids at our school who don’t go out of state go to OSU or Case Western, but more of the former.</p>
<p>I’m talking to my counselor tomorrow!</p>
<p>And is 20K THAT much to pay off by oneself?</p>
<p>Thanks, guys. :)</p>
<p>20k a year…</p>
<p>^Yes? What do you mean?</p>
<p>Sparkeye, you’re obviously up on all things OSU. I don’t mean to denigrate OSU, but as a father of both an OSU and Miami student and a Miami alum, I get a little annoyed when people want to run down MU on this site. I’m just as annoyed at that as I am our friends from UM who want to run down OSU and MSU. All these schools, Miami, OSU, UM, MSU have great things about them and it just gets petty at times. Lots of things to take into consideration when choosing a college, size, major, academic reputation in the field you’re planning to study, the type of town the school is in and financial considerations.</p>
<p>Well said TGR.</p>
<p>Excellent post TGR1958. There is just so much more to selecting a school than “this ranking” or “that statistic.”</p>