Michigan cracks the USNWR top 25 for the first time in more than a decade

Yes, but they will always be remembered HERE as being the only 1 seed ever to lose to a 16 seed. :smiley:

But, itā€™s nice to see that UVa is finally in the Top 25 in football. Weā€™ll see where they finish the season.

(All in good jest, UVa is wonderful school, both academically and athletically)

Ouch and ouch is all I can say ??

I wasnā€™t aware that the Ross undergraduate business school moved up to #3 in the rankings, now tied with Cal (Berkeley):

https://michiganross.umich.edu/ross-news-blog/2019/09/10/just-michigan-ross-bba-program-climbs-charts-latest-ranking

sushiritto, I noticed that. Ross fluctuates between #1 and #4. Yes, Ross was tied with What at #1 at one point, but has mostly been ranked #3 or #4.

According to Wikipedia:

So, Haas was ranked last year at #2. And Ross was ranked #4. But Cal retained its #22 overall ranking in the latest 2020 USNWR rankings. Hmm, interesting. :innocent:

I have relative right now applying to various MBA programs, so I digressed into the UG business rankings.

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d18/tables/dt18_309.30.asp?current=yes indicates that California is actually above average in terms of percentage of college students staying in-state (78% stay in-state, versus 74% for the entire US). But it is so large in population that it is still the largest exporter of college students (but not that many more than the second largest exporter which is the much smaller population state of New Jersey, where only 45% stay in-state).

I believe rjkofnovi was referring to a subset of CA students who would be full pay in CA and decide to attend top out-of-state universities at full pay, which is the case at our local private and public schools.

Would not be surprising if, in any state, students with parents willing to pay list price anywhere are much more likely to choose out-of-state or private schools, since they do not have the cost constraints that 95+% of students do that push many of them to less expensive in-state public colleges, or the more limited range of other colleges that offer them sufficient financial aid and/or scholarships.

Michigan has made a huge push to increase its diversity ranking ; I expect that this contributed to the increase in the USNWR rankings.

Thanks for posting this. Very helpful. We are in a similar predicament. Our son got into Ross and wondering about scholarship opportunities as we donā€™t qualify for financial aid. Where do you have to look typically to get merit aid once at Michigan?

Also, Ross has merit aid for starting freshman technically but hast been offered to us yet. We havenā€™t committed yet but are concerned once we commit we will not get any merit award for the first year. Any insights into this?

I agree with sushiritto on all of the above except Jim Harbaugh. Where can I return him? At least heā€™s not Brady Hoke.

Of course, Cal, UCLA and UVA are attractive in-state options ā€“ if you can get in. UVA has become out of reach for almost all Northern Virginia (NOVA) applicants; you now need to have Ivy-level qualifications to have a chance and even then admission is dicey for NOVA applicants. My son was denied at UVA and UNC, and accepted at VT (and most of his friends were denied at VT). I hear from our CA friends that Cal and UCLA (and now even UCSB and UCSD) have become similarly dicey propositions.

Thus I am very happy my son is going to Michigan. I am happy to pay full freight.

So yes, I agree with sushiritto that the addiional $ 140,000 is worth it, especially if your own flagship universities have become out of reach.

But heā€™s ā€œon saleā€ right now at a huge discount at a base salary of $4,000,000 (with incentives). Cheap! And who are you replacing him with? Luke Fickell, who played and coached at OSU or maybe Matt Campbell of Iowa St.? Harbs still recruited the 10th best class of 2021 recruits.

How did you get that number for UCLA/UCB? According to USNWR for UCB,

OOS tuition = $43,980
Room & Board = $19,556
That is $254,144

Umā€¦ I see, you are comparing in-state UCLA/UCB to oos Michigan. Thatā€™s true whenever you compare in-state vs. oos. Btw, the cheapest way is to go transfer in from a community college in CA. UCLA takes in almost 20,000 transfers each year.

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I do not think that this is correct. A quick search showed that:
ā€œIn 2019, UCLA received 23951 transfer applicants.
The school accepted 5770 students. Therefore, the transfer acceptance rate for UCLA is 24.09%.ā€

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You are right. I read the wrong column. 20,000+ is the number of transfer applications. Still, 5770 is a large number with about 3300 actually coming in, more than half of the freshman class. That must put a lot of strain on the resources in your junior year.