<p>For all of you admitted applicants, you might want to start checking out the Michigan Daily, the student newspaper, online at ww.michigandaily.com.</p>
<p>It really gives you a good flavor for what's going on, both on campus and in Ann Arbor.</p>
<p>I thought they only have students like this at Ivy league schools...</p>
<p>Looks like the student body is pretty liberal.</p>
<p>lol, and student government is a joke, nobody votes in umich, people don't really care at all, the Michigan Daily likes to make student government legit so it can feel like a college newspaper.</p>
<p>I don't understand how you could get so much pleasure out of being a troll...I guess the world will never know. I was surprised to see that article on Crissman because he's not really known in the math community here at all. Must not have taken the harder math classes, just gotten by with the easy stuff. Yes dstark, the campus is pretty liberal, you'll see that's true at many elite schools, including Michigan. Student government isn't a joke here, NYao. If you had read some other threads, you would have seen that in the last week alone student government's efforts created a new international studies minor here. I don't think you can call that "a joke".</p>
<p>do you actually goto Michigan? lol, 'cause i'm wondering how u can actually think people care at all about student politics. like 1400 people voted in the last student election. When Jesse Levine stepped down, they had a huge front page article about it, and everyone I knew were laughing at it and saying why the hell they put this on the front page??!?
'not really known in the "math community", that statement speaks for itself.
Look at all the articles in Michigan Daily, lol, yesterday was how LSA has no wireless access for students in the buildings. a sample of their articles would reveal the following topics: University top officials leaving, University getting budget cuts, faculty vote of no confidence in any of the deans, or president coleman, University professors leaving for better pay at smaller privates. I don't see how you can think Michigan is not in decline, this along with the 60+% acceptance rate that is rising every year.</p>
<p>LOL, new international studies minor! great job!</p>
<p>NYao, if you were just a troll and said bad stuff about the university, I can live with that, but you're just telling flat out lies and deceiving people, man, and that stuff isn't really welcomed on this board. I love how your "sample" of articles was only a sample of the oens taht point out the university's problems, rather than talking about the articles about our skyrocketing endowment, new academic facilities, and new academic programs.
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I don't see how you can think Michigan is not in decline, this along with the 60+% acceptance rate that is rising every year.
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And there we have it foks, the flat-out lie. NYao, I dare you to look up acceptance rates the past 5 years and see how they are "rising every year". Also, I think you'll find it an unplesant surprise when this year's acceptance rate is about 50%(likely a few points lower).
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LOL, new international studies minor! great job!
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I think a lot of people would take offense to that. It's a program that's going to mean a lot to a lot of people and just another example of our student government has a real impact around here.</p>
<p>From what I have seen, many campus newspapers have a fairly adversarial relationship with the administration and policies of their 'host" college or university. Criticizing the university is what campus newspapers do. So yes, the Daily will give prospective students a flavor for what's going on, but it's just one perspective. Sometimes they're very savvy in putting their fingers on the pulse of campus, but other times not.</p>
<p>Similarly, if you chose to learn more about the University by reading its own official or internal newspapers and newsletters, you'd get another flavor, one slanted in the other direction. Both have biases.</p>
<p>you made the international studies minor look like a milestone achievement, i hope you realize that i was sarcastic in response to your flavorful comment. acceptance rates have been rising every year since i've enrolled, which is about 3-4 years ago. all it takes to get into umich is top 10%, 1200 SAT, and a 3.5 GPA from a no name school in michigan. I had people from my old high school get in with like top 20%, 1200 sat, 3.5 gpa out of state, and a lot of them get in too, i still talk to some kids from my high school, 5 of them got waitlisted this year with like 3.3 Gpa, and 1200 sat score and a ****ty curriculum with no AP classes. </p>
<p>i ain't making up jack, don't say if ... i'm fine with it, my points have nothing to do with you, i don't care if you are fine with it. i suppose yall prospectives out there want a discussion board extolling the virtues of michigan, what is the point of that. if u want to refute me, why don't u do the research?</p>
<p>In my experience, when people do the research to refute you, you either refuse to acknowledge their post or you challenge their figures as if they hadn't done any research at all.</p>
<p>Frankly, one doesn't have to do much 'research' to refute material that is made up out of thin air. For example, no one has been waitlisted yet this year. No one. No one at all. These people you are talking to from your old school? They don't exist.</p>
<p>But let's talk about the waitlist in general. If you did your research--and by this I mean looking at overall numbers, not anecdotes, not chatting with people you run into--you'd know that the waitlist at Michigan is always used pretty broadly. Every year, Michigan's waitlist is a relatively large proportion of the eventual class. Obviously that means the waitlist is a "soft deny" to a number of students.</p>
<p>I don't always agree with Michigan biggest cheerleaders on this forum, myself. I think it's popular to paint Michigan a little better than it is. But for your part--I feel you all too often type information that is divorced from reality.</p>
<p>people here are so brainless, that i can type "Michigan Sucks!", and someone will say, what do you mean? where is your proof? </p>
<p>There is only about a handful of material to support how good Michigan is, i've read them all over and over again 3 years ago, anyone can google this stuff. what i'm doing is no different from what alexandre is doing, except that he thinks Michigan is on par with lower ivies. there is a great deal of student dissatisfaction on campus. Some people will smooth out everything bad about Michigan, like how Michigan doesn't combine highest of math and verbal on sat, but ACT scores largely discredit this claim. But, of course they don't mention this, and say a 50 point difference is not big, or that acceptance rate don't mean anything by comparing umich to chicago. why the hell do i need proof to say Chicago is way better than michigan. it is just so obvious. and i wasn't replying to you to begin with, but i welcome your feedback regardless, ho.</p>
<p>NYao is just a disgruntled engineering student. I don't know what is his problem. We used to get a couple students like that in every class. Just ignore him.</p>
<p>It must be all that seclusion and nerdiness on north campus. Try goin for a walk, brother. Maybe go to the bball game tonight.</p>
<p>What do engineering students have to be disgruntled about that they can't fix themselves?</p>
<p>Inquiring minds would like to know.</p>
<p>Props for that one Ahab.</p>
<p>How many students like this are there in AA? None in LSA and the RC, I hope.</p>
<p>i'm out, i'm just trying to get my message out, whether you guys listen or not is your problem. your responses certainly helped me understand why i picked umich when a former umich student on the PR board told me to go elsewhere. suit your selves, i'm just telling people who can goto better schools, but my guess is you guys don't really have other alternatives besides michigan state and hope college. </p>
<p>enjoy the "school spirit", if you think people really have any pride in the school other than sports, which really has nothing to do with you. students at elite private colleges participate in sports instead of watching other people play.</p>
<p>enjoy not seeing the same people u met last term again til graduation, cause thats whats gonna happen, i haven't seen my orientation roommate since orientation 3 years ago, and he's in engineering too. I see my freshman year roommate once every two weeks and we are practically in the same major. I don't ever see people from high school, ever. you can call me anti-social, and not attempting to meet with them, but you'll see what i mean after u are here for a year.</p>
<p>enjoy your 60+ people class for all 4 years. that exaggerated small class size, taught by none other than your TAs, where your professors will hold 2 hours of OH each week for a 200 people class. I'm actually taking a 200 level lsa class and the 2 professors have no office hour at all. only one of them left a email address. and one gsi for 100 people. </p>
<p>enjoy your employment opportunities, you'll really like it when there are 80 companies coming each year to LSA to recruit, and these prestigious corporations include chinese restaurants and cab companies. I've asked many companies at career fair, just how often they hire at Michigan, Microsoft said 30 per year, Eli lilly said about 15. when u consider that these are 2 of the largest companies in the world, u get a sense of what recruiters think about michigan. </p>
<p>thats all from me. Bye.</p>
<p>Well, that's been NYao's experience on campus, now for mine. I've taken 18 credit hours for two years here at the U in LS&A and I have never had a class of over 30 people. I see my orientation roommate maybe once every other week at the Union or some other random place on central campus. I have three roommates this year and I see them each at least once a week just randomly walking around from classes and whatnot, and only one of them is in my major. Considering all the people in my classes last semester, I'd say that about 30% of them are in class with me this semester as well. My professors have 2 hours of office hours a week as well, but that's for 20 or so students, and there has never been a problem with profs needing more office hours. If anything, they're unncecessary in the first place. My GSI's have been great and show no lack of knowledge compared to my professors. When companies came to East Hall to recruit math majors, they included JP Morgan, Accenture, Goldman-Sachs, etc. No food companies and no cab companies, and they were basically begging us to consider their company for employment because Michigan math majors tend to be really skilled. Well, I guess you've seen both sides of the spectrum by now. One from a disgruntled student who clearly has some problem with life and the school he's at, and one who couldn't be happier with his college decision. Most people are somewhere in between though.</p>
<p>Well, you're gone, so farewell, but I will say that I don't think this board is intolerant of less-than-flattering student perspectives. </p>
<p>Obviously not everyone loves it here. Michigan students are not Stepford children. The rancor NYao has experienced has more to do with him passing off as truth negative (and often inflammatory) information which he derived from guesses, exaggerations, and fabrications. I think he misunderstands. We are not "brainlessly" asking NYao to "prove" his opinions (to which he is entitled); we're challenging some pretty specific assertions that he has made. </p>
<p>For those still around, here's some info:</p>
<p>According to the career planning and placement office, about 200 employers come to job fairs each year, and another 200 or so come to do interviews on campus. There may be some overlap there (it may not be 400 employers, in other words).</p>
<p>As for selectivity, measured in the strictest, NYao sense (which is admitted divided by applied), he is wrong. He stated it has eroded every year he has been enrolled. It is true that Fall 2004 saw a big spike due to the decrease in apps (new app process, etc) but in Fall 2005 that changed. The Common Data for 05-06 set isn't available to him yet, but when it is released he will see his error.</p>
<p>NYao clearly has issues with Michigan. He keeps mentioning that he knows students who were not ranked in the top 25% of their HS class or with sub 3.5 GPAs or with sub 1200 SATs who got into Michigan. I do not doubt that. But the stats are clear. </p>
<p>1) 40% of Michigan students graduated in the top 1% of their HS class, 70% graduated in the top 5% of their HS class, 90% of Michigan students graduated in the top 10% of their HS class, and 98% in the top 25%. The remaining 2% who do not graduate in the top 25% of their class are, in most cases, athletes, students at elite private high schools where 100% of the students are good, children of dignitaries, URMs etc... </p>
<p>2) The mean unweighed graduating HS GPA of students entering Michigan is 3.75. 25% of Michigan students graduated from high school with a stright 4.0, unweighed GPA. Only 15% had GPAs under 3.5. Again, most of those are students athletes, students at elite high schools where grades don't come easy, URMs, children of dignitaries etc... And "Michigan GPAs" are harsh. They do not take into consideration easy electives. Only core academic classes are included.</p>
<p>3) Only 10% of Michigan students had less than a 1200 on the SAT. The mid 50% range is 1250-1400 and the mean is 1320. And that's usually in their one and only sitting. Unlike the majority of students who apply to Private universities, Michigan applicants generally never took prep courses for the SAT and they usually sit for the SAT once. Once again, only exceptional cases are admitted with sub 1200 SAT scores. </p>
<p>In short, yes, Michigan does indeed accept students that are not ranked in the top 25% of their class, with sub 3.5 GPAs and sub 1200 SAT scores, but that's definitely not the norm as NYoa would lead you to believe. Most students admitted into Michigan graduated in the top 5% of their class, with 3.7+ unweighed GPAs and over 1300 on their SAT. And as stated above, the mid 50%ile at Michigan is as follows:</p>
<p>Class rank: Top 1% - Top 5%
GPA: 3.6-3.9 (unweighed and only including core academic classes)
SAT: 1250-1400</p>
<p>I see nothing "average" about a student body where the typical student graduated in the top 5% of her/his HS class with a 3.8 GPA and a 1300-1350 on the SAT.</p>