<p>“High school GPA and SAT shows how good a student can potentially perform. It doesn’t show how good a student can actually be.” </p>
<p>If this is the case, admission officers won’t have evidence to tell them that their kids, whom they admitted based on GPA and SAT, is performing well. And if the students are not performing well, they would have abandoned the two criteria a long time ago.</p>
<p>"There are many other factors that can cause students to do bad in college–poor time management, faster pace learning, difficult curves etc. "</p>
<p>Students in HS who get high GPAs, SAT I, SAT II, AP, EC Leadership positions, and awards from competitions obviously manages their time effiectively, can learn fast and outcompete other students since SAT itself is a curve and awards from competitions is self-explanatory.</p>
<p>rjofnovi, you’re right. Gold medalist of Science Olympiad and Intel Finalist, national board member of a non-profit org, 2350 SAT, valedictorian of a top 50 HS, winner of several state business and debate competitions does tell me a little about my intelligence. </p>
<p>I don’t just have 37 posts. I’ve been a member (with other usernames) since 2005, way earlier than you.</p>
<p>Very impressive. I suggest you take your comments and attitude to the ivy league boards or some other top 25 program where the selectivity is closer to your standards and where you won’t have to chat with just anyone who isn’t as brilliant as you are.</p>
<p>Number 1, acceptance rates mean nothing. For example, the College of Engineering has something like a 70% acceptance rate, but I think most people agree that it is more difficult to get into than LSA. The applicant pool is self-selective, so the quality of the average applicant is higher. GPA and SAT/ACT averages tell the real story. In this regard, Michigan is very selective. There are many threads on this topic.</p>
<p>“Gold medalist of Science Olympiad and Intel Finalist, national board member of a non-profit org, 2350 SAT, valedictorian of a top 50 HS, winner of several state business and debate competitions does tell me a little about my intelligence.” </p>
<p>A dime a dozen. 25% of my high school has your credentials, and I am not exaggerating. I have seen many people like you, and I myself have equally if not better credentials. That said, I sure do not think the average students at U of M are stupid. Anyone can call their high school top 50.</p>
<p>bearcats, my HS’s quality is just a tiny bit lower than your Hotchkiss. And I don’t think 25% of your HS are national gold medalists or valedictorians.</p>
<p>Michigan’s acceptance rate was 49% this year because of the economic crisis. Many universities like Penn, Princeton and others increased the number of acceptances they handed out this year. Last year Michigan’s acceptance rate was 41%. Even though that’s pretty high compared to other top publics like UVA, UCLA and UC-Berkeley, Michigan doesn’t do a bad job in selecting academically intelligent and well rounded students. Michigan is self-selective. </p>
<p>You are “smarter” than other students, but even my academic advisor contested to the usefulness of SAT scores in the admissions process. She was a valedictorian of her high school, but she had “bad” SAT scores, because she just wasn’t a good test taker. Now she is has a PHD in neuro-pathology.</p>
<p>Nowadays more and more people are scoring 2300’s on their SAT’s</p>
<p>You have to admit that SAT scores don’t determine how successful a person can be. It only partially assesses a person’s intelligence. So many schools are eliminating the SAT as a factor in their admissions process. Wake Forest is an example. GPA is a better example of how well a student will do in college. If a person has high GPA in high school it shows that they have the potential to work hard in college. Other people that get into top universities with average and below average stats can still be motivated to do exceptionally well in college. Other students who graduated with top grades and scores become cocky. They think they can handle anything thrown at them. These students are the ones that end up shocked when they get their first C in a class they thought was “easy.”</p>
<p>Number 1, you have excellent credentials. Your stats are indeed better than most Michigan applicants, but does that mean you are “smarter” than most of the undergraduate students at Michigan? Obviously you have great credentials but to you Michigan might not be selective because you are valedictorian, but to others, Michigan is really hard to get into.</p>
<p>You can take the SAT high and score above a 2000!</p>
This may be off topic but I know a few students at my school who took the ACT and guessed through most of it and got a high score. One of the football players that I know of said he guessed through it and got a 29. Wow, if only that could have been my score. So yes, some students do get lucky with getting a high score, and some get bad luck with low scores. Though I would assume most students who get a 29+ actually knew most of it.</p>
<p>(Entertainer I will personally look into Wake Forest, I did not know they do not look/ put large emphasis on SAT/ ACT scores)</p>
<p>Bearcats that is one tough interview question. Are these types of interview questions asked in medical school interviews, or just in business related/very selective jobs?</p>
<p>no. 19 is wrong. I know how you got 19 because I got 19/20 too at first and told myself wait it cant be that easy…so I thought about it again and miraculously figured out the trick. You need to think INCREMENTALLY (that’s a hint)</p>
<p>"these are usually for sales and trading jobs. "
nah these are questions for quant funds. The most notorious of the bunch, definitely Jane street capital and SIG. CRAZY bastards lol.</p>
<p>S&T asks brain teasers but nothing of that magnitude. S&T brainteaser would be similar to the following ( I got this question for wherever I am working for now)</p>
<p>You have 25 horses and 5 tracks. How many races do you need to figure out no.1, 2 and 3. You cant use a timer or any equipments, you need to race them. (do it without paper, you can take however much time you want though).</p>
<p>My friend got this one. </p>
<p>You have a loaf of bread. You want to give your friend a loaf of bread per week, but you must give his portion of bread daily. You can only cut the bread twice. How would you do it?</p>
<p>No I used paper and it took me 15 min, I couldn’t imagine how you could actually do it without paper in under 5 min.</p>
<p>I mean bearcats, that is amazing you did it under 5 min without paper. You actually realized it was binary search for the 1st, linear search for the 2nd and then</p>