<p>michiganman, you're still talking crap. If you want to go to MSU's Honors college, go ahead. Just don't give someone else crap advice.</p>
<p>According to US News, Michigan is ranked 9th in engineering. And by the way, do you honestly think that Newsweek ranking is any good? When you see UMich ahead of Penn and Princeton, shouldn't you know it's a load of BS?</p>
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According to US News, Michigan is ranked 9th in engineering. And by the way, do you honestly think that Newsweek ranking is any good? When you see UMich ahead of Penn and Princeton, shouldn't you know it's a load of BS?
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<p>A lot of its individual engineering programs are ranked a lot higher, like IOE, Electrical and Mechanical. </p>
<p>Yes, UM should not be ranked ahead of Penn and Princeton. But it is. What does that tell you about its prestige? </p>
<p>And another note. At least UM is ranked 9th for engineering overall, and 11th in the world. Where the f is MSU ranked? Can you please enlighten me? Or specifically, where is the MSU honors college ranked? No one cares if you went to MSU's honors college...the fact is...its still part of MSU. When someone asks you where you went to college, you're still gonna say MSU, and going to MSU is no big deal. Kids with half a brain can get in, and those with a little more than half can get in the honors college. If you look at Michigan, the kids that are in Engineering and Business are ivy caliber. The students in LSA can be compared to MSU's honors college kids, but as far as engineering goes, Michigan is clearly superior. I don't know what idiot can even compare the two schools in that department. You're a disgrace to this forum.</p>
<p>"you'll find no school that is better than Michigan in both sports and academics" </p>
<p>Well actually being more of a Trojan wannabe than a Wolverine...i'd have to disagree on that. For me, I'd much rather go to USC than UMich anyday...who give's a shiit about rankings. It's so much more harder to get into USC than UMich and being an international kind of eradicates the "in-state" adv. </p>
<p>But I thought it was already lack of bad planning that UMich admitted 6000 freshmen students last year. So even though it's ranked "2nd in the nation" I think the admission rate is too high for a top tier school. And I don't think UMich is the second best public uni in the nation...unless you count all the UCs as one uni...otherwise i'd have to admit that UCLA and UCB are higher quality than Michigan...plus better weather.</p>
<p>I would base my college choice on how people behave in this forum. i can see the ranks, i can see the campus, i can read the reviews...but coming here and talking with people from a potential uni..can pretty much indicate "do i really want to talk to these kind of people for the next 4 years?"</p>
<p>Just because you are in Umich doesn't mean you are smart. If you were you would've gotten into Harvard instead of trying to pretend to be another Harvard...and you would've gotten into UCB OOS or not.</p>
<p>I don't need other people to tell me if I'm smart or not. </p>
<p>I know I am.</p>
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<p>Keep telling yourself that...</p>
<p>Because I can probably predict that everyone on this thread does not think the same.</p>
<p>Maybe that's why you are so into UMich...you couldnt get anywhere else...so you have a need to show off...</p>
<p>it's called an inferiority complex...you should see a therapist.</p>
<p>I go to Michigan and I'm proud of it. What's your problem? </p>
<p>I just can't tolerate people on this thread giving the wrong advice. I could understand why someone would say "go with fit" if the OP were trying to chose between UCB/Michigan or Michigan/UVA. But FFS the guy is deciding between MSU and Michigan, in-state!! You just cannot compare the two schools academically because one is so much better than the other. This is just like telling someone to go to a school like Michigan over Harvard or Yale (Yes I will admit I am not smart enough to get into those schools. Only the most gifted individuals go there).</p>
<p>Well..have you ever considered the tution difference between the two schools? That accounts a lot sometimes...plus it's not like they are right next to each other. </p>
<p>Some people get into Harvard and choose a much lower ranked school because they are just not comfortable ...</p>
<p>The question is whether he wants a more crowded campus feel..or a smaller uni...that answers the whole thread right there. But especially in undergraduate studies...it doesn't really matter if we go to a really great uni or not...it's the grad school that counts.</p>
<p>....btw...are you accepted for 2012? because if you are...then why are you arguing so much..it's not like you actually GO to the uni yet.</p>
<p>woah...no idea..</p>
<p>? no idea ? LOlz</p>
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But especially in undergraduate studies...it doesn't really matter if we go to a really great uni or not...it's the grad school that counts.
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<p>Keep telling yourself that. A great undergrad school will land you a great first job. After that first job, its the experience that counts, not your college. Getting good experience at a top company will boost your chances of getting into a top grad school. </p>
<p>The tuition difference between MSU and UM is not that big for in-state students. And whatever difference there is, it's totally worth it. </p>
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<p>Can you tell me who they are? Do you know that person. He/she might be one in a million, because there is no way anyone would do that. </p>
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The question is whether he wants a more crowded campus feel..or a smaller uni...that answers the whole thread right there.
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<p>Are you serious? What makes you think MSU has a smaller feel? Okay, you might be in the honors college, but that doesn't hide the fact that the school is pretty big. I don't even know why people consider size an issue. Yes, you might feel overwhelmed at a large university (or suffocated in a small university), but by the end of your first few weeks in college all of that disappears. You eventually make a lot of friends and size doesn't seem an issue at all. </p>
<p>I just hold the opinion that you should go to the best ranked university you can get into. If not, just plan to work hard wherever you go and you will do well in life. Even if that best ranked university doesn't seem a good fit at first, you will get accustomed to that environment and start enjoying yourself. First impressions are very misleading btw....you really can't get the right feel of it unless you start going there. I know what my priorities are - academics come before fit. You can mold yourself into liking a place through some effort, but you cannot change what employers and graduate schools think about your college.</p>
<p>like i've said...your stats says you're class 2012...which means you're not in UMich yet yourself.</p>
<p>Those people who've turned down a HYPM for a lower ranked uni are on CC...just read more threads and you'll find out...surprisingly a lot of them are actually at UMich. </p>
<p>Well since you have a lot of Umich pride in you, which i can really dismiss since i have to say UMich has one of the best school spirits i've seen among unis...the fact that the guy has such a hard time choosing between MSU and Umich...should show you already that there's no point trying to convince the guy. If you love Umich, you'd want people who love UMich to be there too right? If they're already considering MSU, just be grateful you're happy with UMich and they are not your problem whether they choose MSU over UMich..</p>
<p>It's starting to sound like rivalry between UCLA and USC lol. All i can say is that there is school pride because the students have pride. Not just for ranking, but for everything about their school. So there's no need for you to badmouth MSU and try to convince them to go to UMich. If they are considering a lower ranked college with a higher ranked one and still can't make a choice, where tuition fees make no difference and admission...then it's their loss..not yours so you wouldn't have to care right?</p>
<p>My company recruits engineering at both MSU and UMich. The MSU/U of M debate has been going on for generations. Give it a rest.</p>
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Not sure where you got your numbers. Care to cite your source?</p>
<p>According to U-M published data, the mid-50% ACT for ENROLLED students are:
(Fall 2005) 26-31
(Fall 2006) 27-31</p>
<p>p.s. Those of us who's been around this forum know better than to argue with hoedown regarding Michigan admission stats.
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<p>According to my roommate's old ACT school score report (the report that colleges get) for the 06/2006 ACT test, his "relative rank" (percentile) at U of M was 35 with a 26 composite. His rank at MSU was 75. I think it's right. Schools just happen to inflate their numbers.</p>
<p>hoedown's a valuable source, and I enjoy his/her posts, but I really don't doubt something from ACT.</p>
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<p>Because EVERYONE that graduates from UMich gets a great job. I'm sorry to inform you that a 2.0 at U-M isn't going to get you any further than a 2.0 from MSU. And a 3.0 at U-M is hardly better or even equivalent to a 3.5 at MSU. </p>
<p>Grad schools don't care where you went to school, just what you did while you were there. </p>
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What makes you think MSU has a smaller feel? Okay, you might be in the honors college, but that doesn't hide the fact that the school is pretty big.
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<p>OK, besides having three residential colleges with another on the way, an honors college, and a residential business program, I'd imagine that MSU would feel smaller. It's big, but it's broken into smaller parts.</p>
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I don't even know why people consider size an issue. Yes, you might feel overwhelmed at a large university (or suffocated in a small university), but by the end of your first few weeks in college all of that disappears. You eventually make a lot of friends and size doesn't seem an issue at all.
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<p>Speak for yourself.</p>
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I just hold the opinion that you should go to the best ranked university you can get into.
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<p>I'm a minority. If the best school I could get into was Lehigh, believe me, I would not go to either, no matter how highly ranked they are. </p>
<p>But if your opinion on where someone should attend a school is based on some numbers that some people at USNews make up, then good for you. I would prefer to make my own decision based on fit, location, and other criteria.</p>
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I know what my priorities are - academics come before fit. You can mold yourself into liking a place through some effort, but you cannot change what employers and graduate schools think about your college.
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<p>Academics are related to fit. You won't do well somewhere where you aren't comfortable. And no, you can't make yourself feel comfortable. I have two friends that went to Middlebury hoping to have a great experience and got nothing but racism. Sure, it's a top liberal arts college but they're struggling to do well. They feel isolated. They aren't comfortable. And they're grades, social lives, and health are suffering as a result.</p>
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According to my roommate's old ACT school score report (the report that colleges get) for the 06/2006 ACT test, his "relative rank" (percentile) at U of M was 35 with a 26 composite. His rank at MSU was 75.
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I don't get it. You mean ACT "knows" the scores of all the students who actually enrolled at UofM ... so they can predict that your friend with a 26 composite is at 35 percentile among the ENROLLED students???</p>
<p>Come on now. Isn't it more likely your friend is ranked at 30 percentile among the students sending ACT scores to U of M? Considering that U of M rejected more than half of the applicants (in-state rejection rate is even higher), your friend was, in all likelihood, ranked quite a bit lower than 30 percentile among enrolled students.</p>
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Schools just happen to inflate their numbers.
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And a 3.0 at U-M is hardly better or even equivalent to a 3.5 at MSU.
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<p>Just to enlighten you a bit, a 3.0 in Michigan Engineering is miles better than a 3.5 in MSU engineering. Everyone knows UM is a hard school, and employers and grad schools take that into account. </p>
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<p>That's another one of your crap statements. I'm not even gonna bother replying to that one.</p>
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I don't get it. You mean ACT "knows" the scores of all the students who actually enrolled at UofM ... so they can predict that your friend with a 26 composite is at 35 percentile among the ENROLLED students???
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<p>I wish I could show you the report. That's what it says. If you've ever seen a ACT High School Report, it shows the "Student's Relative Rank At College". I don't see you arguing about MSU's ranking...</p>
<p>It's either enrolled students or applicants in general. Since it says "at college" I'd assume it would be enrolled students. I don't think that it would be far fetched for ACT to know the score distribution at schools that accept its test.</p>
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<p>The instate rejection rate is much lower than OOS rejection rate. At least half of all instate students that apply get in. It might be even higher, maybe sixty percent. </p>
<p>As for ACTs, Out-of-staters generally score in the high 20's and low 30's. Instaters are generally around 25-29. The CC applicants that apply to UMich are generally in the top quarter of the applicant pool. Most UMich applicants have a 3.6+ and a 26+</p>
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<p>There's not much of a difference between 25th percentile and 30th.</p>
<p>Michiganman...I've just stalked you a bit (read your past posts).</p>
<p>I've never seen such an anti-UMich student. </p>
<p>I have a question. If you hate UMich so much, why don't you get the f out? I mean seriously, transfer to MSU. You'll love it there with your laid back buddies. Or even Kalamazoo college, which you said provides a better undergraduate education than UMich (yes this guy did say that, which is why you shouldn't take his posts seriously).</p>