<p>2013 rankings coming out in a couple weeks... predictions anyone? I think Michigan has done a good job of improving its scores on several of the components of the us news methodology, but the question is how did it fare relative to the other schools. I think it will stay right around 28..</p>
<p>According to their website, Best Colleges 2013 will be released on September 12.</p>
<p>Idk, how well do we play the game? Or at least, how much do we try to play the game? I don’t see Michigan artificially driving their acceptance rate down as much as other schools, but more common app time will help.</p>
<p>Michigan does not do well in the USNWR. The USNWR methodology is designed to rank private universities, and as such, schools like Cal, Michigan, UCLA and UNC do not do as well as they should. Furthermore, as I have been saying for years (and as is now becoming painfully evident), the data reporting process lacks accuracy and consistency, in part because universities have varrying reporting procedures (consistancy) and in part because private universities purposely report faulty data (accuracy) in an attempt to improve their position in the rankings. </p>
<p>At any rate, without a change in methodology that is fair to private and public universities alike, and without thorough auditing of the data submitted by universities, I do not foresee public universities improving much in the USNWR ranking. Michigan could end up back in the top 25 in the next 2-3 years, but do not expect to see Michigan in the top 15 until the methodology and data reporting are properly addressed. Once that happens, Michigan will likely be ranked in its rightful place (between #9 and #17).</p>
<p>Michigan should remain in the top 30 in this edition’s USNWR.</p>
<p>Duke should also remain in the top 30 in this edition’s USNWR.</p>
<p>Harvard should also remain in the top 30 spot at USNWR.;)</p>
<p>In addition to what Alexandre said, I think that the USNWR should start measuring “outputs” instead of just “inputs”. If they incorporated the number of alums enrolled in T14 Law Schools, Top 20 Medical Schools, and M7 Business Schools, I suspect Michigan would fare a bit better in a methodology that included this data.</p>
<p>The USNWR university rankings that most people are familiar with, are heavily based on freshman statistics (acceptance rate, freshman retention rate, 6 year graduation rate, SAT/ACT scores, etc.). They pretty much ignore universities’ graduate/professional programs which take academics to the next level.</p>
<p>The USNWR World’s Best University rankings, which take comprehensive view of universities’ academics, are a much better assessment of academic quality.</p>
<p>[World’s</a> Best Universities; Top 400 Universities in the World | US News](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/education/worlds-best-universities-rankings/top-400-universities-in-the-world?PageNr=1]World’s”>http://www.usnews.com/education/worlds-best-universities-rankings/top-400-universities-in-the-world?PageNr=1)</p>
<p>People who pay attention to rankings, based primarily on undergraduate statistics, are helping to perpetuate a narrow-minded perspective on universities’ academic quality.</p>
<p>“They pretty much ignore universities’ graduate/professional programs which take academics to the next level.”</p>
<p>So correct m1817. The truly great universities of the world are research powerhouses.</p>
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I believe without research there is no university. So that begs a question: how much research does the University of Phoenix conduct besides enrollment analysis and maximizing their profit?</p>
<p>This ranking is pretty good, but I’d swap UCLA and Michigan.<br>
[Academic</a> Ranking of World Universities - 2012| Top 500 universities | Shanghai Ranking - 2012 | World University Ranking - 2012](<a href=“http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2012.html]Academic”>http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2012.html)</p>
<p>I’m content with it not rising much so long as we get to keep avoiding the control freak parents who find out their kid got into Northwestern and go “You’re only a 12?!” Besides, the assessment by Stanford’s former prez seems far more accurate than usnews.</p>
<p>I prefer the other ranking UCB:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.usnews.com/education/worlds-best-universities-rankings/top-400-universities-in-the-world?PageNr=1[/url]”>http://www.usnews.com/education/worlds-best-universities-rankings/top-400-universities-in-the-world?PageNr=1</a></p>
<p>I’d swap Cal and Duke. </p>
<p>;-)</p>
<p>The USNWR rankings aren’t meant to measure graduate excellence of a school or even broadly its reputation. They are trying to capture the quality of undergraduate education; we can nitpick about a few schools on the ranking but most people would agree that all the ranked universities on USNWR deserve to be ranked within 10 spots of wherever they are currently.</p>
<p>The ranking that UCB posted has the University of Minnesota beating Northwestern, UC Santa Barbara beating Duke, and third tier state flagships beating Dartmouth. It has no relevance to undergraduates picking schools.</p>
<p>Goldenboy do you not have a job? Why do you just come on every day and ****post?</p>
<p>some people on here are giving mich wayyy too much credit…On what earth would michigan be ranked #9? Or even #17 for that matter. Umich is a good, public research university a step above mich state, ohio state, u-florida, and a step below the top private powerhouses such as the ivys, johns hopkins, duke, stanford, u-chicago, MIT etc…It is no way a top 10 or even 20 school. </p>
<p>SAT scores are 1350 at mich equal to schools like boston college, ucla, unc, wake forest, and case western. Not equal to princeton (1510), Penn (1450), u-chicago (1480), or even notre dame (1440)…Not only sat scores but admission stats clearly show that getting accepted into umich is much easier than any of the top 20 schools. I have friends that used mich as a safety and got dinged at a lot of the top 20 schools. </p>
<p>Even after one graduates, a mich education doesn’t put them on par with the top 20 schools’ graduates. For pre-med mich has about a 60% success rate. Cornell, which is ranked at 15, has about 80-85% success rate. Princeton, upenn, and duke are around 80-90% and harvard and yale are around 95-98%. JHU, u chicago, brown, dartmouth, vanderbilt, georgetown, northwestern, and notre dame have similar numbers. </p>
<p>The same goes with many other fields except engineering, which is probably michigans strongest department and still is not top ten caliber. (MIT, stanford, cal tech, etc dominate).</p>
<p>Undergrad biz is probably the second strongest department/maybe strongest and still rides far behind the heavy weights of Penn’s Wharton, Harvard, MIT’s sloan…yet is the only mich department that is truly top 10 worthy. </p>
<p>Graduate studies is a different story where michigan is highly respected and worthy of that respect with med, business, law, and dental being top 10-15 programs.</p>
<p>mich undegrad however will not be top 15 for a long time…i think it will hover around 25-33.</p>
<p>^ iagree with many of the things you say. But don’t about the engineering program being not in the top 10. It has always been ranked in the top 10. You listed 3 schools above mich in engineering.</p>
<p>Also Harvard does not have an undergrad biz school.</p>
<p>UMich should fare better in the rankings, not worse. The 25th/75th percentile ACT score of the ** entering class] is 29-33**. Meanwhile, the admitted range was 27-31 several years ago. On the SAT side, it’s around 1990-2230.But that means the entering class was probably even lower. Also, the acceptance went down to 35.7% from 50% only a while ago. This year we should expect them to break the 33% barrier. However, the yield dropped from 46% to 40%. Personally, I believe UMich should be somewhere in 16-24 inclusive. Yet, I predict USNews will place them 25th at best.
Source:
<a href=“http://www.admissions.umich.edu/drupal/about-our-applicants[/url]”>http://www.admissions.umich.edu/drupal/about-our-applicants</a></p>
<p>Then again, I know people who go to top 15 schools/ivies including Harvard. They say the student body isn’t actually as intelligent as you’d expect. Sure there is their fair share of wizkids, but these types don’t dominate the population.</p>
<p>@hylyfe…other engineering schools that some would consider superior or at least equal to umich would be cornell, carnegie mellon, and uc-berkeley. I would revise to probably include umich as a top 10 engineering undergrad school on second thought.
Harvard does not have an undergrad biz “program” but their economics degree alone rivals some top business schools in terms of placement at top biz grad schools and jobs at top firms. </p>
<p>@forever alone…Mich has definitly improved from last years ranking but so have other schools that are ranked near umich. Because none of those other schools have dropped I dont see umich over taking them. According to the website u posted the sat numbers are ADMITTED numbers and not ENROLLED. For instance the admitted numbers at a top 15 school increases drastically. Penn will show admitted sat scores of about 1500, cornell, brown, georetown, u chiago, etc will show similarly. The enrolled numbers actually are the students who are AT umichigan and not just accepted. Th ernolled sat scores at umich are 1350 according to college board.</p>
<p>back to the original point in order for mich to get a better ranking other schools need to get worse…which one do you see falling?..The only two schools I think are undeserving of their top 25 ranking are wake forest and usc. So umich can potentially move into a better slot but tufts and boston college which are currently ranked worse than mich i would expect to move into better positions maybe supplanting michigan.</p>
<p>If mich as it stands right now, SAT score of 1350 and accept rate of about 35%,(which usnews bases most of their rankings off) will be the only top 20 school to have those “low” stats. For umich to move into a position around #20 it would have to supplant ether Georgetown, emory, notre dame, or berkeley. </p>
<p>Gtown SAT score 1400, admit rate 18% current ranking #22
Emory SAT score 1420, admit rate 27% #20
Notre Dame SAT score 1440, admit rate 24% #19
UC-brkeley SAT score 1380, admit rate 22% #21</p>
<p>Umichigan SAT score 1350, admit rate 35% …mich is still shy of a top 20 ranking. </p>
<p>i think mich will stay pretty much where it is at. Fighting to displace schools like wake forest and fighting to not get supplanted by schools like tufts.</p>
<p>"@hylyfe…other engineering schools that some would consider superior or at least equal to umich would be cornell, carnegie mellon, and uc-berkeley."</p>
<p>Actually knight2011, there are only 4 Engineering programs that are considered superior to Michigan. Those are Cal, Caltech, MIT and Stanford. At the undergraduate level, Michigan has 5 Engineerings peers. They are CMU, Cornell, Georgia Tech, Princeton and UIUC. Engineering programs a notch below Michigan and its peers include Purdue, Rice, TAMU, Texas-Austin, Virginia Tech and Wisconsin-Madison.</p>
<p>Also, Emory’s mean SAT is actually 1370, not 1420. The 1420 average, it turns out, was a lie. Emory recently admitted it. Georgetown and Notre Dame do not release CDS, so it is hard to tell what their average test scores are. Cal and Michigan have similar SAT ranges. There is no real difference between a mean of 1350 and 1380…or even 1420 for that matter. </p>
<p>But the USNWR ranking is not a selectivity ranking, it is an academic excellence ranking. From that point of view, Michigan’s peers are not Notre Dame, Georgetown or Emory. Michigan’s academic peers are Cal, Cornell, Northwestern, Penn, Texas-Austin, UCLA and Wisconsin-Madison to name a few.</p>
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It is neither of those; it is a ranking of the undergraduate quality of American institutions. USNWR considers a wide range of factors including academic reputation and selectivity.</p>