<p>Do minority students gain entry to UF with lower SAT scores and GPA? I'm not looking to start a debate, just looking for the facts. Most curious about hispanic students.</p>
<p>I believe they got rid of AA a few years ago as a result of a mandate by the governor.</p>
<p>^ Yes, in 2000 Jeb Bush and the Florida Legislature got rid of AA.</p>
<p>However according to Tomslawsky's research their is a 126 point disparity in SAT scores for "First Time in College" Freshmen at the University of Flordia (For the last incoming class). So it's debatable about whether in fact the State University System of Florida practices AA in who are admitted into Florida Universities.</p>
<p>The University of Michigan got sued a few years back by the citizens of that state and now they are not allowed to do this any more.</p>
<p>This is an interesting topic for me. My son who goes to UF did not get into FSU (his dad is a Seminole so they were not very happy)! Anyway, two of his very close friends who are both hispanic got in with lower SAT's and GPA's!! I do not have any specific examples of this happening at UF but I would think that similar admission strategies would apply to the two flagship schools.</p>
<p>SSobick</p>
<p>I asked about minorities not FTIC, explain to debate for me please.</p>
<p>Helpful Mom</p>
<p>UF's admissions standards are much tougher than FSU's, so that is kinda wierd to hear. Is your son happy at UF?</p>
<p>Yeah, I thought it was strange too; especially, since my husband is an alumni. FSU also turned away several girls from my son's high school this year and they were accepted by UF! (caucasion and affluent). Lately, I seem to be reading a lot about FSU graduating a large percentage of black males. I am not sure if more of them are coming in as FTIC or cc transfers. I do know that they have a very large minority program called CARE where they are very lax with the admission qualifications. Well, I think that is great that they do that but I was not very happy for my son since he worked very hard. He really likes UF and his brother is at Santa Fe. I know I mentioned before on this site that my SFC son had higher stats than my UF son in high school (both GPA and SAT) and they are one year apart. He only wanted to go with his brother so I let him. He has a lot of friends who followed him to SFC and these were stellar high school students with 1200+ SAT kids and high gpa's. He is loving Gainesville and doing great also. This semester they have 2 of the same professors, LOL since many profs teach at both schools. The funny thing is that there are about 28 in the SFC classes and about 500 in the UF classes!(same classes). My SFC son talks to the profs all the time and my UF son can't even approach his. At SFC, the test reviews are even conducted by the profs.</p>
<p>It has all worked out well and now my husband is working on my daughter who is in 9th grade. He is hoping that she will be a nole!!</p>
<p>Navarre1, btw, FSU only took 4000+ students this year so it is getting really tough to get in there. They took very few kids after the 1st deadline last where they normally take from all three deadlines. I think that it will keep getting tougher, especially in this economy. I think that more and more kids will be taking advantage of the dirt cheap tuition and BF.</p>
<p>You will find that just about every concievable argument was covered on this issue.</p>
<p>In all likelyhood however all of these numbers may be moot since they are changing for the 08-09 class.</p>
<p>Let the arguments fly!</p>
<p>xNYer</p>
<p>I'm not looking to start any arguments, just facts. </p>
<p>My daughter is 1/4 hispanic and just want to know if that makes a difference. Do I think it should, no. Would I take advantage of any opportunities that could come her way, you bet I will.</p>
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<p>It won't, but by the same token I wouldn't not put that she's hispanic. The real dearth in racial makeup is in black students. There are a ton of hispanics at UF. What I have said is reflected in the thread xNYer linked.</p>
<p>The real question is where does UF stand on admissions to their Professional Programs? I am almost positive that minorities have their LSAT, GMAT, and MCAT scores counted less heavily in comparison to the regular admits. </p>
<p>I personally don't have a problem with this because Harvard, Yale, University of Michigan all the rest of the Top-10 follow these same admission patterns for these highly prestigious Professional Programs.</p>
<p>Unless your D carries a hispanic surname I don't think it should count.
My reasoning:
She sends out a resume;
Her name is "Janet Fernandez" yet still 1/4 hispanic.
OR
Her name is "Janet Smith" yet still 1/4 hispanic.</p>
<p>I wish I could say in todays world it would not matter, yet apparently it still does.</p>
<p>Now put on the resume "Janet Fernandez" graduate of University of Florida and it may begin to crack open some doors.</p>
<p>Kind of like Obama when he puts down "degrees from at Columbia & Harvard"</p>
<p>xNYer</p>
<p>I don't get your point, but she does have a hispanic surname. She ups your Janet Fernandez to a Janet Fernandez-Gonzalez. Race, Legacy, economic income or if your daddy gave a million dollars to the university shouln't make a difference IMHO but if it does I'd like to know. We are just playing the game, not making the rules.</p>
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<p>Me either, anyway your question has been answered, or at least has been answered to the best of the knowledge of anyone who's going to answer.</p>
<p>Well I thought I was making sense, I may however have stayed up too late watching the Rays lose last night err (this morning).</p>
<p>But to answer your question:
IMHO if she has a hispanic surname then she is hispanic.
She should check the box that says "hispanic" on the application.</p>
<p>Don't know how much of a bump you will get.
I have often heard on CC that as an URM your scores must be within the bottom 25% of the admitted students scores.</p>
<p>Those bottom 25% numbers are however going up based on this published statement:</p>
<p>"UF’s entering class earned an average high school GPA of 4.18 and SAT score of 1293, both record-high levels."</p>
<p>Where will UF's 2008 SAT 25/75 Percentile fall?</p>
<p>It is my understanding that the "official" numbers don't have to be submitted for the Common Data Set until January. </p>
<p>My guess: (based on pure math rounded down)</p>
<p>Bottom 25%- 1180
Upper 75%- 1400</p>
<p>Your D would still need an SAT of 1180.</p>
<p>"We are just playing the game, not making the rules."</p>
<p>I understand this concept and feel that it is only human to try to gain every advantage possible to be admitted into the most prestigious university that an aspiring student can be admitted to (being that it is financially feasible of course). Make no mistake an education from a highly prestigious institution is worth considerable financial gain, and opens doors that the substandard institutions can only dream of providing.</p>
<p>The problem as I see it is: In 2000 the Legislature and Governor signed into law that the state of Florida was not going to play that game anymore. Clearly with Tomlawsky's evidence it is abundantley clear that we are playing that same old card and packaging it within the guise of "holistic admissions". Argue it any way you like but just understand this is not a candy shop we are dealing with here.</p>
<p>Please see this article attached. It shows how UCLA is being unfair to the best & brightest applicants.</p>
<p>xNYer</p>
<p>My daughter had an ACT score of 31 after her sophomore year. She will be taking the ACT again as a Junior and her score is already in near the 75th percentile. I'm not so sure that she needs the help but we're looking at all angles.</p>
<p>Navarre
An ACT of 31 compares to an SAT of 1380. Very close to what I project the new top 75% to be.
If she applies by the Nov 1st deadline and has a descent GPA she should have no problem getting into UF. She bumps up the ACT and she has a shot at UF Honors College.</p>
<p>If she misses the deadline then its a crapshoot. You never know what will happen then.
Best of luck. (though it's obvious she does not need it)</p>