<p>^ UVA, according to USNWR, has a slightly better 6-year graduation rate (93% vs. 90%), better peer assessment score (4.3 vs. 4.2), slightly better 25% SAT scores (1200 vs. 1180), and less classes greater than 50 students (14.3% vs. 20.3%) than UCLA.</p>
<p>Small differences that let UVA slip in one spot ahead of UCLA.</p>
<p>ok so then it actually isnt better good.</p>
<p>Maybe not better, but certainly more prestigious.</p>
<p>Overrated:
Johns Hopkins
Vanderbilt</p>
<p>Underrated:
Northwestern
Amherst
Brown</p>
<p>wait uva more prestigious or ucla?? i didnt know there was a uva until last year</p>
<p>I think they are basically the same. I hadn't heard of UVA being a good school until June, though. UCLA probably has some more name-recognition because of their sports prowess.</p>
<p>gradatgrad: I never asked why and the rest of your post is just as nonsensical except for NU having a good theatre department which I already mentioned before.</p>
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<blockquote> <p>I think they are basically the same. I hadn't heard of UVA being a good school until June, though. UCLA probably has some more name-recognition because of their sports prowess.<<</p> </blockquote>
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<p>Actually, UCLA is a much deeper school than just sports.
Let's look at the academic quality of their programs, as evaluated by the non-profit National Research Council.</p>
<p>Number of programs rated:
UCLA-36 programs
UVA-32 programs</p>
<p>Rank based on average of nonzero scores:</p>
<h1>13-UCLA</h1>
<h1>28-UVA</h1>
<p>Rank based on average of all 41 scores:</p>
<h1>6-UCLA</h1>
<h1>25-UVA</h1>
<p>Percent of T10 programs among those rated:
UCLA-16/36 (44%)
UVA-4/32 (13%)</p>
<p>Percent of T20 programs among those rated:
UCLA-31/36 (86%)
UVA-11/32 (34%)</p>
<p>In conclusion, UCLA is a broader and deeper school whose reputation is well deserved.</p>
<p>No disagreements, I was just saying that UCLA's sports prowess caused it to have more name-recognition to the non-college search initiated.</p>
<p>I didn't say that one was better than the other, rather that UVa is considerably more prestigious [at least on the east coast] than is UCLA.</p>
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I didn't say that one was better than the other, rather that UVa is considerably more prestigious [at least on the east coast] than is UCLA.
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Agreed </p>
<p>10 char</p>
<p>^Classic example of regional bias. In the west coast, UCLA is definitely more prestigious. I came from Hong Kong and lived in the east cost and the midwest before coming to west coast. It's interesting to see how this regional bias works in people's mind. It's why people like Bescraze can't understand how Northwestern/WashU can be ranked above Brown. LOL!</p>
<p>What's interesting to me is the people that harbor east coast bias tend to be more vocal and opinionated (less aware of their own bias) on this board.</p>
<p>Which gets back to ... it's all regional. Many people don't know of UVA out here in the midwest, or consider it comparable to the Big Ten State Schools. Being originally from the East, I'm a lot more impressed by UVA than they all are. UCLA seems like mostly a sports school to me; I never think of it as highly academic; I don't doubt that it is, but again here in the midwest that's not its reputation. Because ... it's all regional.</p>
<p>Well, Sam Lee, I think a lot of people from the East Coast AND a lot of people from California think the country revolves around their particular area. Bescraze will be upset to find out that many of his favorite schools just aren't that well known out here.</p>
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Bescraze will be upset to find out that many of his favorite schools just aren't that well known out here.
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Like Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, Columbia, Penn, Brown... yea I would be shocked. Since they are known by anyone who is remotely educated/intelligent in the nation....</p>
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It's why people like Bescraze can't understand how Northwestern/WashU can be ranked above Brown. LOL!
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Bias, lol and you don't? My brother picked Wash U over Hopkins fyi, I think its a great school. Just like my great friend chose Northwestern over Duke (to the shock of our peers though) and its a great school. Yet, there is no question remotely that Brown is more prestigious nationally than both of these schools. O yea and I plan on living in a city, like New York out of college, so why would I care what people in the midwest think.(even though the smart ones out there know the top schools anyway)..Where is the money at? Its in the NE and California (Silicon Valley, LA, San Francisco)</p>
<p>^You may want to live somewhere other the east coast... even for just short period of time just to open your mind and expand your horizon. I hope this doesn't shock you--Brown isn't really well known in California. I think most people here probably think USC/UCLA are better.</p>
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Classic example of regional bias. In the west coast, UCLA is definitely more prestigious.
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<p>Exactly. I live in Southern California, and I remember some of my classmates from high school all highly agreed that UCLA is far superior to Berkeley, and that's what everyone everywhere thinks. I lol'd.</p>
<p>I'd agree, also, that UCLA gains much of its recognition because of its sports. This isn't to say that UCLA isn't an extremely strong school, but just acknowledging the impact that a strong sports team can have on the reputation and recognition of a school (case in point: Notre Dame). There was actually a study on this somewhere...</p>
<p>"Yet, there is no question remotely that Brown is more prestigious nationally than both of these schools. "</p>
<p>Yes, there is. </p>
<p>"O yea and I plan on living in a city, like New York out of college, so why would I care what people in the midwest think."</p>
<p>Are you not aware that there are cities in the midwest? Even really big ones? </p>
<p>"Where is the money at? Its in the NE and California (Silicon Valley, LA, San Francisco)"</p>
<p>You are INCREDIBLY naive. There is big-time money everywhere. You would be shocked if you went to St. Louis or Minneapolis or Kansas City or Tulsa and saw some of the money that is out there. People who could buy and sell you ten times over. Oh - and some of them even went to (gasp) state schools or third-tier schools too. Thinking that the path in life is go-to-one-of-a-handful-of-top-schools-and-go-work-on-Wall-Street is so ... eighties.</p>
<p>Here's a math problem.</p>
<p>School A is more prestigious in the East Coast.
School B is more prestigious in the Midwest.
Which school is more prestigious nationally? LOL.</p>
<p>Prestige without the real substance (i.e., breadth and depth compared to their peer schools), that's what I call overrated.</p>