<p>“On that note, with a UMich degree one can get a job in NYC, LA, or anywhere in the country without too much trouble. With a MSU degree, you might be restricted to the state of Michigan or the mid-west.”</p>
<p>That is just plain untrue and would suggest that anyone who goes to their state university is “stuck” in that region for the rest of their lives. I don’t know about other people, but a close family friend graduated from MSU and landed a job in Seattle within three months. I’m pretty sure that doesn’t count as the Midwest. Please check your facts before posting something potentially offensive.</p>
<p>We have over 2000 students from China, and another few thousand from 128 other countries. We also have one of the largest international student populations in the country. Including the largest international graduate population. </p>
<p>I also know people who graduated last year, with my so-called useless major, that got into Ivy league graduate schools and landed jobs all over the country. So don’t generalize :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Anecdotal stuff aside, Michigan beats MSU 95% of the time. $ and other stuff aside, Michigan should be your choice. IS people undervalue the university. Maybe if they tweaked the IS to OOS ratio they would respect it more</p>
<p>^ IS people could care less about the IS OOS ratio. Besides, considering it’s a public state university, its first priority should be Michigan students.</p>
<p>Exactly. If they put IS students on the sane admissions standards as OOS kids the state might then realize how amazing their university is, instead if taking it for granted and acting like admittance is their right</p>
<p>actually Michigan already has a high OOS population compared to other state universities…no one acts like admittance is their right. also, no state university in the country puts the OOS and IS kids on the same admission standards because the whole point of a state university is to educate the IS kids, not the OOS kids. if you don’t like that, apply to a private university.</p>
<p>The problem is that the state of Michigan doesn’t support the University financially enough to justify giving IS kids easier admission standards. If UMich wanted to, it could operate as a private institution. This is coming from an IS kid.</p>
<p>mjmay, although one of the priorities of a public university is to educate residents of the state, a university should not do so at great personal financial loss…or give IS students unreasnable admissions perks. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, the state has cut Michigan’s budget by another 15% this year, down to $270 million from last year’s $320 million. In the mid-term, Michigan’s current model will cease to work effectively and the quality of undergraduate education will suffer. One of the following will have to happen:</p>
<ol>
<li>Michigan will increase tuition for in-state and out-of-state students substantially</li>
<li>The University will reverse the in-state : out-of-state ratio so that OOS students outnumber IS students</li>
<li>Michigan will go private</li>
<li>The quality of the university will decline</li>
</ol>
<p>As it stands, next year, Michigan will receive $270 million from the state. With 17,000 undergrads, that a little inder $16,000 per student. Michigan’s tuition got IS students is $12000. Michigan receives $27,000 for each IS student. OOS tuition is $36,000. That’s a $9,000 loss for each IS student.</p>
<p>since I am extremely busy, I will just list:</p>
<p>Both MSU & UM are increasing tuition by nearly 7% next school year.</p>
<p>MSU’s OOS student body has doubled from 8% in 2008 to roughly 15% as of 2011.</p>
<p>MSU graduates work nationwide, alumni chapters in almost every state and around the world. In fact, there are 8 alumni chapters in the state of California alone:</p>
<p>Anyway, all I said, from the beginning, was that for some people, MSU is a better choice. I just point out and refute statements that are false. Other than that, I have never claimed that MSU ranked higher overall than UMich.</p>
<p>that doesn’t mean that what you said wasn’t unwarranted and did not further this discussion at all. there was a correct, and appropriate, way to respond and you chose, instead, to drag the discussion into the gutter. way to go :)</p>