<p>^ umm I’m sure every single one of the posters is either a graduate or a student at MSU/UM.</p>
<p>Sparkeye, the fact that there are more undergraduate international students at MSU is a function of the fact that MSU has far more undergraduate students. At both universities, international students make up 6%-7% of the total undergraduate student population. But this does not address the question of demand for those two instititions. Michigan received close to 7,000 international applicants this latest admissions cycle. That is huge. You could check how many MSU received, but I do not think it would be nearly as high.</p>
<p>Also, once you add graduate students, the number would tip slightly in Michigan’s favor, with Michigan having 5,500 international students compared to MSU’s 4,000.</p>
<p>MSU, its a school.</p>
<p>We have a campus, with trees. Our classes have professors.</p>
<p>We are in an athletic conference. </p>
<p>We have school colors.</p>
<p>International students come here. We’ve got a big student body.</p>
<p>Look how prestigious we are</p>
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<p>The idea that Michigan loses $9000 a year from every instate student assumes they can attract a student body of entirely OOS students.</p>
<p>Vladenschlutte, with 17,000 OOS applicants and 7,000 international applicants and a yield rate of 30% for those applicants, Michigan can easily enroll 4,000 OOS and international students annually. The remaining 1,500 students can be residents of the state.</p>
<p>No offense but MSU and UMich are on two different levels. Even if a student was in-state and wanted to apply to UMich, MSU wouldn’t be in the equation unless the student wanted to get a presidential scholarship. I don’t go to UMich but I do go to a school on the same level (think NU, Duke, UVA). The schools I just listed are on UMich’s level and I’m pretty sure those schools were on the list of every current UMich student’s prospective college list, not MSU. MSU is not a bad school but it’s not elite like UMich. MSU is more on the level of Ohio State. I admire the MSU students for standing up for their school but let’s not live in denial. UMich is OBVIOUSLY the UNDISPUTED best school in the state of Michigan and is one of the few schools in the midwest that can go toe to toe with Ivy League schools.</p>
<p>I have never once said that MSU is a ‘top’ school or better than UM in terms of overall academics. I was merely conveying my own MSU experience and what I know about both schools growing in Michigan. First off, back in my Michigander days, half of the students from my AP class attended either MSU or UM (it was about 50/50 for those who did). There was certainly ‘fit’ factor involved as most if not all these honors students had GPA of near 4.0 and ACT score of 30 if not higher. I attended Adlai E. Stevenson High School in Livonia roughly a decade ago. And Yes, I did get into Michigan. In fact, Michigan was my safety… 
(I actually wanted to go to UPenn, but my parents refused to pay for it…). </p>
<p>Once again, I am just grateful to have attended my very first Big Ten school back then. I was extremely satisfied and thrilled that the campus was/is so beautiful with dozens of uniform collegiate gothic buildings built in the '30s adding to its overall aesthetic value. I went through MSU’s College of Natural Science, Lyman Briggs Residential College and Hornors College with double majors in Physiology and Zoology and graduated with Distinction. My fond memory of MSU was that I got to visit and study at NSCL (National Superconducting Cyclotron Laboratory) when I took physics class with Dr. Harris and afterwards he wrote me an excellent letter of recommendation for medical school which I am still grateful til this day. I also did join a few clubs at MSU and made many lifelong friends along the way, including my best friend who majored in Computer Engineering and later attended Duke for Master and is now the CEO of Microsoft operation in China (he worked alongside Bill Gates for many years in Seattle and was recently assigned oversea). I have never felt deficient in anyway having attended MSU for undergrad education when compared to my Ivy league bachelorette colleagues here at Northwestern Memorial Hospital in downtown Chicago. As a matter of fact, MSU degree allowed me to further my study at institutes such as TOSU, Northwestern, and Harvard. There were and I am still are a handful of Pre-meds who study their butt-off in E. Lansing almost every single night at the library as I did… Therefore, please do not discount these hardworking students as some of you tend to stereotype my alma mater.</p>
<p>There were over 10,000 graduates just this past spring from Ann Arbor, and based on my cousin’s first hand experience (he is a Wolverine through and through), not all of them will find job within a year (especially when the state of Michigan has not been the best place to look for jobs). I do not wish to talk smack here, and certainly have no desire to degrade Michigan’s supposed ‘superior’ undergrad experience or comparing it with MSU which obviously not on the same level as you have all alluded. So far as I am concerned, college experience is what you make it to be and I believe that it should be unique to each individual. So, best of luck to you all! Peace! :)</p>
<p>Why do ur posts always sound like MSU infomercials that take little shots at Umich?</p>
<p>^^Well, what can I say… I am a ‘Sparkeye’ after all. ;p Plus, the feeling is mutual given how many Michigan fans have been commenting on MSU without much knowledge of the institution or the quality of education for that matter. I am really in a passive defense mode now. Perhaps once the sun only rises and sets on UM campus, I will then be drinking the blue kool-aid. ;p</p>
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<p>Yeah, she was too good for him; good riddance Sparty…and don’t let the door hit you on the way out! ;)</p>
<p>Here are some to other classics!</p>
<p>[YouTube</a> - Ohio State Michigan blind date](<a href=“Ohio State Michigan blind date - YouTube”>Ohio State Michigan blind date - YouTube) </p>
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<p>[url=<a href=“ESPN Long Live Rivalry commercial #1 - YouTube”>ESPN Long Live Rivalry commercial #1 - YouTube]YouTube</a> - ESPN Long Live Rivalry commercial #1](<a href=“Without College sports, this won't be disgusting - YouTube”>Without College sports, this won't be disgusting - YouTube)</p>
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<p>@PurpleDuckMan- exactly.</p>
<p>Alex,</p>
<p>“(why is it always the chick that’s a Wolverine?!)”</p>
<p>It is because Ann Arbor was founded in 1824, and named after the spouses of the city’s founders.</p>
<p>Hence, (Ann) Arbor. :)</p>
<p>“I do not wish to talk smack here, and certainly have no desire to degrade Michigan’s supposed ‘superior’ undergrad experience or comparing it with MSU which obviously not on the same level as you have all alluded.”</p>
<p>The undergraduate education is superior. You can bluster about fit all you want, but understand that the undergraduate education, in terms of faculty, peer quality, and facilities, is far superior at U of M. The idea that it isn’t is a myth created by insecure Spartans* to make themselves feel better by saying that U of M’s reputation is solely grad school based.</p>
<p>*obviously this doesn’t include everyone. However, the people that I have heard this garbage from in person were hilariously insecure about MSU.</p>
<p>“The undergraduate education is superior. You can bluster about fit all you want, but understand that the undergraduate education, in terms of faculty, peer quality, and facilities, is far superior at U of M. The idea that it isn’t is a myth created by insecure Spartans* to make themselves feel better by saying that U of M’s reputation is solely grad school based.”</p>
<p>Ah, you have managed to read through my post #227, but failed to read my opening sentences. </p>
<p>*obviously this doesn’t include everyone. However, the people that I have heard this garbage from in person were hilariously insecure about MSU. </p>
<p>Same can be said about Michigan. Otherwise, there wouldn’t be that many UM students who turned into notorious snobs only to be humbled in the real world (I have personally encountered quite a few ;p). We certainly do not live in a perfect world, do we? Obviously, this certainly doesn’t include every Michigan student as well. Respect :)</p>
<p>I live IN East Lansing, so I feel at least a little qualified to talk about this. The reasons I have for MSU over Mich are as follows:</p>
<p>Students who couldn’t get into Michigan but could get into MSU(i would say majority of MSU kids, though certainly a decent amount could get into U of M)
Students who are not smart enough to get merit scholarships at U of M, but qualify for merit scholarships at MSU
Students who want an easier and less competitive college experience(small, but still present number)
Students who want to party more(i would say that the people who could get into both but chose this as their reason is a very small number).
Students who are MSU legacies or diehard fans that could never go to Mich purely for the stupid reason of sports fans(a surprisingly large amount)</p>
<p>I know many people in this area that are die hard MSU fans and that is the only reason they have for attending MSU. My friend got a 32 on his ACT and has a 3.9 and could def get into Michigan but isn’t even considering it just because he can’t stand Michigan football/basketball teams. I think this is very stupid but hey, everyone has there own opinions.</p>
<p>How admissions have been going lately, no one is a definite in at Umich, even IS</p>
<p>Well it depends. CoE admissions is much more consistent. If you have the grades and the test scores, you will probably get in.</p>
<p>I don’t get why anyone needs to belittle or judge someone else’s college choice. I understand that Michigan is an excellent school, I’m not applying. I am applying to MSU and several schools <em>considered</em> above both. I’m also curious why Michigan ALWAYS offers the better education? School is what you make of it, and I plan on working hard no matter where I go, so why do I need to be belittled about going to State over Michigan?</p>
<p>I highly doubt you would apply to MSU and jump straight to HYSPM. That’s just not intelligent. You have to apply to some between schools. Even if it’s not HYSPM and it’s something like Duke, it still doesn’t make any sense.</p>
<p>No one said MSU wasn’t a good school, it is. It’s just that, because MSU and UM are similar in many ways (both large state schools), there very few reasons someone would attend MSU over Michigan. It’s not like Umich vs. Chicago, where the schools are really different, where fit can become a major part of it.</p>