<p>okay alexandre, you can’t use michigan’s own medical school in a comparison for reasons that you already know. they absolutely give preference to their own undergrads which is why they have the #1 representation. just saying</p>
<p>I’ve been summoned to throw in my $0.02 on this thread, even though I considered myself retired on CC and have never posted on Michigan’s forum… ;p</p>
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<p>There are quite a few learning opportunities available at Michigan State University, but I just don’t have the time to discuss them all here, so, I’ve decided to list a few below:</p>
<p>MSU is located roughly two miles from the State Capital - Lansing. East Lansing (aka Sparta) is known as the most beautiful college campus and the quintessential college town.</p>
<p>MSU is known to have the prettiest student body along with Northwestern in the Big Ten.</p>
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<p>MSU leads the nation in study abroad participation among public universities.</p>
<p>MSU is a member of the prestigious AAU, CIC and BIG TEN.</p>
<p>MSU ranks eighth overall in international student enrollment.</p>
<p>MSU was ranked as one of the nation’s 50 “best value” public universities by the Princeton Review.</p>
<p>MSU is one of the nation’s top five campuses for sustainability (Green Campus)</p>
<p>The U.S. Department of Energy has selected MSU to design and establish the Facility for Rare Isotope Beams, also known as FRIB - a $615 million construction.</p>
<p>MSU has been recognized for eight consecutive years as one of the top 100 universities in the world by ARWU.</p>
<p>USNWR ranks MSU 34th among the nation’s public universities with roughly $1.5 billion endowment.</p>
<p>The media and information studies program in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences was ranked 2nd in the mass communication category by the Chronicle of Higher Education.</p>
<p>MSU is the only university in the country with three on-campus medical schools (not including the Grand Rapid Campus), graduating allopathic (MD) and osteopathic (DO) physicians, as well as veterinarians.</p>
<p>Note: This is also why countless Michigander Pre-meds come to MSU - you will always have back-ups in case one gets rejected. There are “two” MD schools, one DO school and a Vet school in State. Please check out MSU’s newest Grand Rapid Campus medical school:</p>
<p>[Welcome</a> to Grand Rapids, MSU medical students | MLive.com](<a href=“http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2008/08/welcome_to_grand_rapids_msu_me.html]Welcome”>Welcome to Grand Rapids, MSU medical students - mlive.com)</p>
<p>Also, MSU has several residential colleges, based on the Oxbridge “living-learning” model (James Madison for Political & Pre-laws, Lyman Briggs for Science & Pre-meds, RCAH for Arts and Humanity in addition to the Honors College).</p>
<p>MSU encompasses country’s largest dormitory system with more than 80% of students come from the State of Michigan. </p>
<p>Michigan State University is the “Land Grant” pioneer in the nation founded through by Morrill Act of 1862 by Abraham Lincoln.</p>
<p>MSU continues its outstanding record of students earning prestigious national and international scholarships with the naming of a Udall Scholar and two Goldwater Scholars in 2011. The total scholarship count at MSU now stands at: Goldwater, 30; Rhodes, 16; Churchill, 16; Truman, 16; Marshall, 14; Udall, nine; Hollings, six; Gates, three; and Mitchell, one.</p>
<p>For the 4th straight year, MSU’s undergraduate supply chain program ranks second in the nation behind only MIT.</p>
<p>MSU’s programs in elementary and secondary education rank first in the nation for the 17th year in a row. The College of Education ranks 17th in the nation, with six other graduate programs ranking in the top 20:</p>
<pre><code>* Curriculum and instruction, No. 2
- Rehabilitation counseling, No. 2
- Educational psychology, No. 4
- Higher education administration, No. 4
- Administration and supervision, No. 8
- Education policy, No. 11
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<p>MSU earned the No. 5 spot in North America in the Princeton Review’s list of Top Schools for Video Game Design Study for 2011. MSU, which offers bachelor’s and master’s degrees with specialized curriculum in video game design and development, was the only school in the Midwest and east of Utah to be listed in the top five.</p>
<p>MSU is one of only four universities across the country asked by the Carnegie Annenberg, Rockefeller, and Ford foundations to take part in the Teachers for a New Era initiative, which is designed to strengthen K–12 teaching by developing state-of-the-art programs in teacher education.</p>
<p>MSU was awarded a $25 million grant from the National Science Foundation (NSF) to establish the NSF Science and Technology Center for the Study of Evolution in Action, one of five such NSF centers. The Bio/computational Evolution in Action Consortium, or BEACON for short, will study evolution in both natural and virtual settings.</p>
<p>Construction for MSU’s Eli and Edythe Broad Art Museum began March 16, 2010, with a groundbreaking for the building, designed by world-renowned architect Zaha Hadid. The facility is named in honor of Eli and Edythe Broad, longtime supporters of the university who provided the $28 million lead gift for the museum. The three-level, 46,000-square-foot building, to be located at the corner of Grand River Avenue and the Farm Lane campus entrance, will open in spring 2012.</p>
<p>MSU offers 26 study abroad programs in Africa, more than any other U.S. university, and more than 1,300 MSU students have studied in Africa since 1992. MSU faculty members work on scores of projects in 32 African nations—more than half the countries on the continent.</p>
<p>MSU and the University of Wisconsin–Madison are partnering in the Great Lakes Bioenergy Research Center with $125 million in funding from the U.S. Department of Energy, focusing on the conversion of plant biomass to bioenergy.</p>
<p>MSU has joined with the University of Notre Dame and the University of Chicago to establish a Physics Frontier Center for Nuclear Astrophysics funded by a five-year, $10 million National Science Foundation grant.</p>
<p>Last but not least, in the majority blue-collar state of Michigan, MSU Spartan Sports are deeply rooted (thanks to the Iron Man from Iron Mountain, MI - coach Tom Izzo and the all-time most popular player voted in the State of Michigan - Erwin “Magic” Johnson). See the Common Census NCAA Fan Map of 2010:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.commoncensus.org/maps/ncaaf_1280.gif[/url]”>http://www.commoncensus.org/maps/ncaaf_1280.gif</a></p>
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<p>*MSU receives record number of applicants (Not Common Application)</p>
<p>[The</a> State News :: MSU receives record number of applicants](<a href=“http://statenews.com/index.php/article/2011/04/msu_receives_record_number_of_applicants]The”>MSU receives record number of applicants - The State News)</p>
<p>Hope this helps! Go State! :)</p>
<p>“East Lansing (aka Sparta) is known as the most beautiful college campus and the quintessential college town.”</p>
<p>East Lansing is not a great college town. The MSU campus is nice if you are into open, park-like settings, but the town itself, not so much.</p>
<p>“MSU is known to have the prettiest student body along with Northwestern in the Big Ten.”</p>
<p>That is a rather subjective claim that is impossible to prove and is debatable at best.</p>
<p>“MSU leads the nation in study abroad participation among public universities”</p>
<p>An admittedly good accomplishment, undermined only slightly by the fact that MSU is also one of the biggest schools in the country.</p>
<p>“MSU is a member of the prestigious AAU, CIC and BIG TEN.”</p>
<p>There are 60 schools in the AAU. The big ten is an athletic conference. Next.</p>
<p>“USNWR ranks MSU 34th among the nation’s public universities with roughly $1.5 billion endowment.”</p>
<p><em>Slow clap</em></p>
<p>MSU seems to have more in common with OSU than with Michigan. :-)</p>
<p>andre10,</p>
<p>Of the 30 facts of MSU’s Points of Pride, only 5 are questioned, I consider it very good!! Thank You!! 
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<p>P.S. Oh, I forgot to mention that School of Packaging was first created at MSU and the Plant Biology Dept is also renown. </p>
<p>I miss East Lansing… :(</p>
<p>[YouTube</a> - MSU Campus Beauty](<a href=“MSU Campus Beauty - YouTube”>MSU Campus Beauty - YouTube)</p>
<p>My beloved FRIB!!! lol</p>
<p>[YouTube</a> - Facility for Rare Isotope Beams - MSU](<a href=“Facility for Rare Isotope Beams - MSU - YouTube”>Facility for Rare Isotope Beams - MSU - YouTube)</p>
<p>Welcome to Michigan State University!! Home of Spartans & FRIB!! :)</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/The_NSCL_laboratory_and_the_FRIB_facility[/url]”>http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/The_NSCL_laboratory_and_the_FRIB_facility</a></p>
<p>Go State!! lol</p>
<p><a href=“Michigan State 300 - YouTube”>Michigan State 300 - YouTube;
<p>Go Spartans!!! lol~</p>
<p>rjkofnovi,</p>
<p>“MSU seems to have more in common with OSU than with Michigan. :-)”</p>
<p>I am certain that Mark Dantonio would have agreed with you! ;p</p>
<p>I agree. Dantonio is much more like Tressel than he is like Hoke. :-)</p>
<p>“okay alexandre, you can’t use michigan’s own medical school in a comparison for reasons that you already know. they absolutely give preference to their own undergrads which is why they have the #1 representation.”</p>
<p>Yet another reason to choose Michigan. If Michigan’s top 10 graduate programs favor Michigan undergrads, then clearly, it makes sense to go to Michigan. But clarify why Michigan should appologize for having incredible graduate programs and giving its own students preference in admissions.</p>
<p>At any rate, even without Michigan Medical School, Michigan alums outnumber MSU alums 56:6 at the top three top 10 Medical schools.</p>
<p>rjkofnovi,</p>
<p>“I agree. Dantonio is much more like Tressel than he is like Hoke. :-)”</p>
<p>Actually, Dantonio was born as a Texan and grew up in Zanesville, OH. Whereas Brady Hoke was born in Dayton, Ohio and graduated from Fairmont East High School in Kettering, Ohio. His father, John Hoke, played for Woody Hayes at Miami of Ohio, alongside Bo Schembechler who was also an Ohioan. :-)</p>
<p>One of my brothers got into both MSU and Michigan and Stanford + Ivies. Until the end, he had UMich, Stanford and MIT, considered Harvard. He’s now at Harvard, will be at Stanford for graduate school. </p>
<p>UMich is much better than MSU. It’s not even close. You can make up any freaking stats about MSU having better premed department or girls, fact is, UMich provides a better education for most areas. UMich is considered among top schools not in Ivy league or named MIT/Stanford; MSU? Don’t hear much of it.</p>
<p>sparkeye, some of them are admitted accomplishments, but not many of them point out why someone should choose MSU over Michigan. I only frisked the ones that didn’t pass the smell test.</p>
<p>If we made a similar list about Michigan, it would be much, much longer.</p>
<p>With all due respect, I did not once say that MSU is above Michigan as an institute of higher learning. I just do not believe there is such a thing as be all, end all in terms of education. There are well over 460,000 MSU alumni worldwide. And many have certain done well over the centuries. Here is a quick sample:</p>
<p>[List</a> of Michigan State University people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Michigan_State_University_people]List”>List of Michigan State University people - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>Successful MSU undergraduate alum included but not limited to the former “Provost and Executive President for Academic Affairs at the University of Michigan” - Teresa A. Sullivan who is now the President of University of Virginia.</p>
<p>Link: [Curriculum</a> Vitae, Office of the President, U.Va.](<a href=“http://www.virginia.edu/president/cv.html]Curriculum”>http://www.virginia.edu/president/cv.html)</p>
<p>Ok, I’ve gotta go! byeeee~ :)</p>
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<p>“take jokes for what they are.”</p>
<p>You don’t think it’s revealing that jokes about MSU tend to stress a deficiency in brains, and the jokes about UofM tend to stress being boastful and pretentious? To me, the jokes highlight the main flaws each school’s backers see in the other school.</p>
<p>“UMich is much better than MSU. It’s not even close.”</p>
<p>This isn’t a thread about an objective measure of academic prowess. For sheer brainpower, I think the Spartans concede (they never make jokes about being academically smarter than Wolverines). It seems to be a thread more about whether the ONLY measure of a college is its sheer academic brainpower, or could a sane person also consider myriad other aspects, such as cost, down-to-earth attitude, beauty of campus and women, politics, range of subjects, etc.</p>
<p>Schmaltz, in most cases, it ignorance that wins the day when a student chooses MSU over Michigan. Differences in campus and student body beauty are grossly exaggerated. I have known over a dozen students who transferred from MSU to Michigan and they all laughed at the provincial myths surrounding those two crucially important criteria in determining college selection! I personally spent some time on the MSU campus and I noticed no difference in the physical appearance of the student body and found Michigan’s campus more beautiful. MSU has no answer for Michigan’s world-class engineering facilities, Ross building, gorgeous Law Quad, etc…The only area where MSU admittedly has Michigan beat is in landscaping. Michigan’s campus is flat and has little natural beauty other than the arboretum. But where architecture is concerned, Michigan wins.</p>
<p>I do not think there is much of a difference in the political leaning of the student bodies…not given their size. Michigan may be more socially liberal and fiscally conservative, but we are not talking night and day.</p>
<p>I am not sure I agree with MSU students being more down to earth, but they are definitely more interested in partying than in studying. The difference in the academic intensity of those two schools and student bodies explains why MSU feels more social.</p>
<p>The only legitimate reasons why students should choose MSU over Michigan is availlabity of major (Agriculture or Hotel Management are not offered at Michigan) or cost of attendance (in the event MSU offers a good scholarship while Michigan does not). </p>
<p>I am shocked at how many on this thread have tried to push the concept of fit. Nobody believes more in the concept of fit than I. But between Michigan and MSU, fit is a non-issue. Yes, there are differences, no, they are not sufficient to justify choosing an inferior educational experience. One does not choose Boston College over Harvard, UC-Davis over Cal, George Washington over Johns Hopkins etc…based on fit. The similarities between those pairs outnumber the differences and the gap in quality is too glaring to ignore.</p>
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<p>No. Not really. Yes, a lot of Spartans party hard, but I have personally never met a single one that puts partying over studying. Please, don’t make a blanket statement like that that is blatantly false. Spartans have a definite “work hard, party hard” attitude, but those that are more interested in partying than studying are definitely in the minority. </p>
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<p>In your opinion. What YOU look for in a college is not what everyone looks for. </p>
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<p>What did you mean by this if not differences in “fit”?</p>
<p>rmanigypsyeyes, I look for the best education I can get. That is why I went to college. Perhaps you are right and not everyone who goes to college does so for the sake of education. I believe fit should play an important/deciding role too, but not to the exclusion of all else. I personally chose Michigan over several other universities for reasons of fit, but the difference in academic quality was negligible, so choosing based on fit made sense.</p>
<p>With regards to my 5th point, I was referring to situational differences. For example, one of my cousins (who’s father is a professor of Civil Engineering at Michigan) chose MSU over Michigan. He intended in majoring on Business (accounting) and was admitted directly into MSU’s Business program while at Michigan, he would have had to apply after his sophomore year. He did not want to spend his first two years in college studying too hard and chose MSU because he could have a more laid back experience. The decision did not hurt his future. He landed a great job with E&Y after graduating from MSU, went on to get a MBA from Duke and is now Senior VP at Bank of America in Charlotte. In his case, his academic interests made the MSU environment less hostile and more appealing.</p>
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<p>Yes, U of M outranks MSU often but MSU is not a bad school. It consistently ranks high in many departments and overall. Just because someone chooses MSU over U of M, it does mean that they excluded all else. There are just those of us who looked at the whole picture, and thought we were a better fit at MSU than U of M. That doesn’t mean that we excluded everything BUT fit. It means we looked at both schools, weighed the pros and cons of each, and just decided that MSU was a better environment for us overall- which you seemed to support a few years ago.</p>
<p>Question: Did your cousin have a “legitimate reason” for choosing MSU over U of M?</p>
<p>I’m going to have to support Romani on this one. I’ve read a number of her posts on the MSU board and I’m convinced that she would be able to hold her own at U-M had she chosen to attend U-M. She is getting a good education at MSU and she has been motivated by the RCAH program she is participating in. U-M didn’t offer her an opportunity that she felt was comparable to one she is involved with at State. While U-M may be a better choice than MSU for most of the students who can choose between both, it in the end is an individual decision and U-M will not be best for all. A thread like this has is easy bait for bringing out all of the MSU stereotypes and having generations of brainwashing I could have joined in if I had wanted to. Everyone knows that Michigan is more selective than State, that Michigan is higher ranked than State, that State has an ag school and Michigan doesn’t and “Little Brother” so this thread should something more. This could be a good thread for pointing out specific differences in why an individual may choose State over U-M or vice versa but we should try to keep the respect level up.</p>