<p>blu_g8orade. Wisconsin outranks Michigan in research and several other factors. While it has not fully capitalized on its outstanding success in sciences and social sciences with the general public, it does not in fact trail Michigan “by far” in any way except self-promotion.</p>
<p>Michigan>Wisconsin.</p>
<p>Barrons, I am not sure I agree about Michigan self-promoting itself. </p>
<p>In most traditional academic disciplines, Michigan and Wisconsin are ranked relatively close, with Michigan being ranked slightly higher in most disciplines. </p>
<p>BIOLOGY
Michigan: 15
Chemistry: 15</p>
<p>CHEMISTRY
Wisconsin: 7
Michigan: 16</p>
<p>COMPUTER SCIENCE
Wisconsin: 11
Michigan: 13</p>
<p>EARTH SCIENCE:
Michigan: 5
Wisconsin: 15</p>
<p>ECONOMICS:
Michigan: 11
Wisconsin: 11</p>
<p>ENGLISH:
Michigan: 12
Wisconsin: 16</p>
<p>HISTORY
Michigan: 7
Wisconsin: 11</p>
<p>MATHEMATICS
Michigan: 9
Wisconsin: 14</p>
<p>PHYSICS
Michigan: 13
Wisconsin: 16</p>
<p>POLITICAL SCIENCE
Michigan: 3
Wisconsin: 16</p>
<p>PSYCHOLOGY
Michigan: 2
Wisconsin: 9</p>
<p>SOCIOLOGY
Wisconsin: 1
Michigan: 3</p>
<p>Michigan is also slightly better in Engineering. </p>
<p>Academically, Michigan and Wisconsin are peers. Where Michigan separates itself is in its professional programs. Michigan’s Business, Law and Medical schools are significantly better than Wisconsin’s, and that pretty much explains why Michigan is more recognized than Wisconsin.</p>
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<p>That’s a broad generalization and a weak statement.</p>
<p>“blu_g8orade. Wisconsin outranks Michigan in research and several other factors. While it has not fully capitalized on its outstanding success in sciences and social sciences with the general public, it does not in fact trail Michigan “by far” in any way except self-promotion.”</p>
<p>Self-promotion? What a nonsense, the rankings speak for themselves, and Michigan has better Business, Law, and Medical schools, just like Alexandre pointed out.</p>
<p>Why are people talking about, Northwestern? The OP didn’t ask for opinion on the Mildcats.</p>
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not in my discipline…;)</p>
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I agree with Barrons on this…I don’t see Badgers tooting their horn as much as Wolverines.</p>
<p>Lumping Biology into one academic area puts about 15 major disciplines into one group. UW has about 350 profs in the various bio subareas from biochemistry to zoology. That is probably equal to 10-15 major typical liberal arts depts such as sociology, english etc. In most of those UW>UM. You also leave out foreign languages where UW>>UM. That’s another 10 or so departments. I’d grant the professional schools do help greatly.</p>
<p>I just found a typical very funny example of how UM polishes it’s own apple while leaving out some important facts. And I am not saying I don’t admire their chutzpah. See page 8 of following slide presentation to UM Board of Regents and press. In the comparison of research funding they use MIT and Stanford along with UCB. What they don’t mention is that UM trails two more highly comparable state schools–UW and UCLA. Also UCB and MIT don’t have med schools which generate the majority of UM’s research money so they are not even good comparables.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.research.umich.edu/research_guide/annual_reports/FY08/FY08ForrestReport.pdf[/url]”>http://www.research.umich.edu/research_guide/annual_reports/FY08/FY08ForrestReport.pdf</a></p>
<p>Yes, but Michigan is better in the remaining 10 Engineering disciplines (Aerospace, Biomedical, Civil, Computer, Electrical, Environment, Industrial, Materials, Mechanical and Nuclear.</p>
<p>^ Barrons, I take that slide to mean UM recognizes it has some catching up to do in terms of faculty acheivement.</p>
<p>Ok yesterday was UVA, now Wisconsin? Why do people hate Michigan so much? lol</p>
<p>“Lumping Biology into one academic area puts about 15 major disciplines into one group. UW has about 350 profs in the various bio subareas from biochemistry to zoology. That is probably equal to 10-15 major typical liberal arts depts such as sociology, english etc. In most of those UW>UM.”</p>
<p>Best Science Schools ==>Top Biological Sciences Programs:
Michigan: 15th
Wisconsin: 15th
<a href=“http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/grad/bio/search[/url]”>http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/grad/bio/search</a></p>
<p>^ Meh, you should’ve read the “Opinion on UC Berkeley” thread a few days ago…:rolleyes:</p>
<p>Read a lot of negative views towards Michigan State University, actually surprise. Though I reecently had a substitute teacher who recommanded one not to attend Michigan State University as undergraduate. She said she did not feel challenge there, regret attending.</p>
<p>The OP made up her/his mind about attending MSU and is now looking for an endorsement from everyone? What is the point of this discussion (which eventually digressed into a discussion between UMich and UW for the most part)? Most of us living in Michigan have the perception (right or wrong) that MSU does not even come close to UMich in academics or anything else. (MSU is know to have the #1 rank in Suppy Chain mgmt though). For all we know, MSU is a party school that burns police cars when they lose games. Oh yes, MSU also makes to Final Four once in a while, if that matters to any academically-inclined.</p>
<p>And it is interesting that the OP read negative posts about MSU now and is surprised? Where have you been?</p>
<p>I really don’t know the intentions of the comment above. Whether or not I decided what university is my top choice does not put me at fault in learning more about others/ views of current top choice. So make such judgements without such a post.</p>
<p>When you ask for views, you get views. There are no intentions whatsoever. I only live in Michigan, did not attend either of MSU or UMich and so do not have an explicit interest in either.</p>
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:rolleyes: most of the people who do stupid crap in East Lansing aren’t MSU students at all, and the only reason MSU has a “reputation” for this is because of the incident in 1999 (The entire student body has been replaced twice since then by the way). Michigan state isn’t any more of a party school than Penn State or Wisconsin.
MSU has a number of great programs (no, not just supply chain management) and has an extensive alumni network in Michigan, but you’re right that it won’t be as highly regarded elsewhere as Michigan.</p>
<p>I dont plan on attending graduate school in Michigan much. So odds would be against me attending Michigan State University…? Sorta what seems to be stated.</p>
<p>coolbrezze that depends 100% on what the field is. Grad schools don’t care what the overall rank of your university was, they care much more about what professors you’ve got recommendations from and whether the program is well known in that field. UMich has tons of programs that are very highly regarded, but MSU has plenty as well, as do all of the other schools you listed.
If it’s med school or law school you’re thinking about, MSU has great options with it’s residential colleges (James Madison and Lyman Briggs) which would be competitive with all of the colleges you listed except for Michigan, but for masters or Ph.D programs it really is field-specific.</p>
<p>Yeah I plan to attend medical school, majoring in pre-medicine. I would like to attend graduate school in a large city. Graduate school in a large city can’t be any universtiy though ( most I know in large cities are competitive).</p>