Music and College

Hi,

I’m a high school junior wondering about his chances in getting into college on music. If I’m lucky, I will graduate with a GPA somewhere between 3.5 and 4.0. I’m not sure what my chances of getting into a college are with that (a school I would love to get into would be UC San Diego or somewhere around that ballpark) with an SAT score of 2200.

Academics aside, I’m an oboe player (I hear we’re a much needed kind) and I love band. I’ve been the first oboe at my school since freshman year and I’ve made a couple of honor bands and youth orchestras. I’m wondering if it would be easier to get into a UC on music instead and how hard it would be to transfer out of it. I’ve heard varying stories about the difficulty of transferring out of music, how long that takes (do I stick with music for a semester and waste tuition?), and things like that. Any stories on kids who went to school on music and transferred or anything of the kind would be appreciated. Another thing I’d like to hear are college music students who know if oboe students are particularly sought after.

Thank you!

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Have you thought about posting this in the music majors’ forum? The people there are helpful.

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/

Whether or not a college needs an oboe player depends on that college. You can look and see what variety of music groups are on a campus. I can’t speak for the UC’s on this, but colleges that take a good look at ECs can like music because it can represent a long term commitment and, presumably, increasing skills over time. Being in performance groups (orchestra, band, accompanying, etc,) shows a willingness to share this talent and meet the expectations.

I see absolutely NO reason to apply as a music major if you don’t plan to continue. It won’t make admission easier - and can even make it more competitive.

You do not declare a major before applying to UC San Diego. It won’t make any difference to them if you want to major in music - which is not a performance major there anyway. Same for Berkeley. Santa Barbara and UCLA do have performance majors in music - so in those cases you would declare in advance and audition. However, it is not easier to get into most UC’s as someone planning to major in music than as someone planning to major in history etc.

As for whether oboe players are sought after - I’m sure they have plenty available in a large public university. A smaller college might have more of an opening and it could give you an extra point with admissions.

What do you actually want to study in college?

I think you need to do a little research on what you want to do, you are throwing out a lot of very different things:). I’ll try and clarify things, give you a kind of cheat sheet when it comes to music and so forth.

Majoring in music generally means one of several things. It can mean a BA degree on the instrument, which would mean taking lessons on the instrument, playing in orchestra and ensembles, plus theory classes, prob ear training, and obviously the general core courses. BA degrees often don’t require an audition, and from what I know admissions criteria are generally based on academic stats like SAT scores and such (and even in an audition BA, those stats still count heavily).

A BA in music can also mean studying academic music, like theory, composition, music history and so forth.

There also is the BM degree (performance), which has a very different focus. For one thing, most if not all of these are audition based, and while if the music school is located within a university things like SAT scores and grades will count, they will count towards admission to the university (and potentially merit aid), but for the music school admission for the BM is based pretty much entirely on the audition. You can be a 2200 SAT, 4.0 gpa, 10 AP kind of kid, get into the university, and not get into the BM program. Plus with a BM program, there is no such thing as there would be with a BA/BS degree, where you can easily change your mind, in a BM you in effect are declaring your major and forced to stick with it when you apply, which is different than a BA, where you don’t have to declare until after sophomore year. (In theory, in a BM you could switch let’s say from Violin to conducting, or Piano to composition, but I don’t think that happens all that often if at all)

The BM is very, very focused on playing, and a typical BM degree student will be spending significantly more time then a BA on the instrument in terms of ensemble playing, orchestra, lessons and so forth, it is a lot more intensely focused on the music (BM students in a university will also take the core courses, obviously).

In terms of being ‘easier’ to get in, I think it depends on what you mean. If you mean auditioning to be a BM student being easier, no way, competition for performance programs of any decent level tends to be tough. If you mean is a BA in music easier than studying something academically (like physics), I can’t answer that. And I don’t think (with one caveat I’ll explain below) that if you plan on getting a BA in music on Oboe let’s say, that it is easier intending to study history in getting in, in the sense that the admissions for a BA degree is in my experience not predicated on what you major in (with a BA , you don’t even have to declare your major until after sophomore year),so most of it is going to be on your stats, SAT score, GPA and so forth, rather than on what you intend to study.

The one caveat is that going into a college, music can count heavily in terms of being an EC, many colleges/universities look favorably on kids who play an instrument, both because of how they view music,. but also with an eye to getting kids to play in the school orchestras and bands and so forth. This would be true whether you plan on getting a BA on the instrument or not, it is more about it as an EC.

Which also gives you another option, if you like playing Oboe, there is no reason you could not get a degree in anything you want, and still be able to take lessons and play in ensembles and such, many schools have those opportunities for non majors.

In terms of whether playing the Oboe gives you an edge, that all depends. I have read the articles about how playing a ‘less desirable’ instrument (instruments like Viola, Oboa and Bassoon can fall into that) can help with things like admissions and merit aid and such, I am dubious about that, it is hard to say that is a rule. It all depends on needs, and if the school has a ton of oboe players, this wouldn’t help you much, or if it had enough bassoons or violas, same thing, and while there are relatively fewer kids playing those instruments (as opposed to violin), there also is a lot less need.

I agree with others, I think you need to think about what you want to do. If you love the Oboe and want to major in it,then go for it as either a BA or BM (the latter if you feel you are good enough), if you love the oboe but think you might like to major in something else, then major in that other thing but take lessons, play in orchestra/band/etc, and enjoy it:)…and rather than focus on what will make it easier to get into a school, do it because you enjoy it.

So just to clarify: my understanding is that you propose to apply as a music major because you think your oboe playing will get you into schools that you might not otherwise get into. Then you want to remain in the school but transfer out of music asap. So you mainly want to use music as a “hook” and then abandon it as soon as you can.

This might be possible. But applying for a performance major is onerous, and involves rigorous preparation for auditions. If you apply to a college versus conservatory or school of music, the music major is often not a performance major, and your application would involve detailing your music experience, most likely through the common application and a supplement that would incluce resume, recording, and separate music letters of recommendation.

In the case of the former, auditions are highly competitive. In the case of the latter, you don’t need to apply as a mucic major at all. Your oboe playing may or may not be sorely needed by the school. In any case your playing would be extracurricular in a non-performance program and so you could apply for any major.

There are some ethical problems with planning in advance to leave music after using it for admissions. For one thing, you will be taking the spot of someone else in a conservatory or music school: frequently there are only a few spots.

Some UC’s have music schools with performance, others don’t. I would recommend that you include an arts supplement as described above, but apply honestly, either as an undecided or for a major you really want to stick with.

Your idea is akin to a top athlete who allows him or herself to be recruited with the intention of quitting in a year. Many athletes do get in based on their ability in a sport and then leave the sport after a period of time. If they plan this in advance, it is an ethical problem because it is dishonest and because it assures them a spot that should have gone to someone else.

Your stats look good. There is no reason why you cannot apply with an authentic approach and do quite well.