My Chances of MSU College of Music?

<p>I am a classically trained pianist, started at about the age of 6. MSU is where I want to be. Looking at the audition requirements currently I have completed all just over the years. My only two main concerns are the COM website says "memorization is expected", and what to play. Although the website says this about memorization I have come across multiple other schools in State that they're websites say this also but once you talk to a COM Admissions adviser they say just the opposite (Grand Valley State, CMU).</p>

<p>So to any MSU Music Majors who auditioned piano, is that true? Did you have to memorize your Invention, fast movement, and 19/or/20 piece? (scales obviously must be memorized that's not a problem just all the music) I'm going to talk to a professor regardless what anyone tells me on this website. </p>

<p>I have learned Mozart to Beethoven to Chopin. Etudes, Preludes, Inventions. What are some good recommendations that are not too difficult I will freeze under pressure??</p>

<p>Thank You!</p>

<p>I do not attend MSU but I have many friends in the music department there. I am pretty sure that the pianists did have to memorize something other than their scales. Asking the professor is an excellent idea.</p>

<p>If it says that memorization is expected then I’d go with that. That shouldn’t be beyond any performance major at the college level. Your private teacher should be working with you to select the pieces that fit the requirements and show your skills to the best advantage. The school clearly states that you must pre-screen and that the requirements they list are the minimum, so they are pushing you to delve deeper. I’ve copied them below:
Undergraduate</p>

<p>A work by J.S. Bach (two or three part invention, a Suite, or equivalent);
A fast movement from a Haydn, Mozart or Beethoven sonata;
A 19th or 20th century composition;
Be prepared to play all major and harmonic minor scales and arpeggios in parallel motion, four octaves;
Memorization is expected</p>

<p>Does that school have a good track record of producing professional pianists? If you can’t get into Juilliard or Curtis I recommend going to a school that is solid academically and taking lessons with a good private teacher. Especially for piano.</p>

<p>Of course, Juilliard and Curtis are tops, but there are many other music schools and conservatories that are strong for piano.</p>

<p>What is MSU (Michigan State, Montclair State, Missouri State, Morgan State, Minot State, MIssissippi State, Murray, State, Montana State…?)</p>

<p>I am assuming Michigan State, because they are the Spartans, and all the other schools FutureSpartann mentioned are in Michigan.</p>

<p>Funny, it would not even have occurred to me to look for clues related to the names of sports teams (of which I have no clue.) I suspect others on this music-focused board may also be similarly out of that loop. A few years ago there was a lot of confusion because a poster kept referring to a school by initials shared by two very different institutions.</p>

<p>Which leads me to a question with no disrespect intended for the poster…if you are in-state for MSU, then you are in-state for University of Michigan’s outstanding piano perf program as well, which is a very well-regarded program on a national level.</p>

<p>I realize that in-state, there is that silly Spartan/Blue rivalry and many families on the “west cost” (of Michigan) grow up thinking to be a Spartan is “the thing to do” but when it comes to a nationally competitive music performance program being available for IN STATE RATES you’d be foolish to not at least audition for UMich as well and then see what your results and and financial packages dictate is the best move.</p>

<p>There are a lot of great piano programs out there, you don’t have to go to Curtis (which is next to impossible to get into, and also has negative factors, as all programs do), or Juilliard to be able to make it. That said, Piano might be the most competitive of instruments, and it has a handicap in that it is not really an orchestral instrument, and in the chamber world piano based ensembles are less common then string based ensembles (they exist, and pianists often join a string group to make a piano quintet, for example)…the other main area is an accompanyist, and that is very, very competitive. Programs are flooded at the pre college level and at the college level with kids playing at an incredible level, you have kids coming in from Korea and China especially that are hypertalented, at the very least technically. </p>

<p>Given that, it behooves someone to get into the best program they can because IME (and that is all it is), it can be difficult for students to be the ‘star pianist’ in a program where most of the students aren’t as advanced, whereas being in a program where you are middle of the pack or at the least have kids that are better, can drive you forward. </p>

<p>That doesn’t mean don’t go to MSU (I don’t know much about their piano program, it could be stellar, piano is not my specialty), but I also agree with others you should seriously think of U Mich. It is extremely competitive, both musically and academically, it is generally considered one of the better music programs out there, and as a result I would hazard a guess that they probably tend to attract high level student.Name is a funny thing, that and 2.25 will get you mugged on the subway, in the sense that name alone doesn’t do much for a student, but it also does tend to attract high level students, there are kids who won’t go anywhere but Juilliard or Curtis because they have had it drilled into them they are the ‘best’ program, if you don’t go there you don’t make it, if you go there the road in music will be paved with gold, etc, so they tend to attract a very strong talent pool, whereas there can be a great program with great teachers that ‘insiders’ know, but if you asked a lot of teachers and students, would be 'what’s that?". </p>

<p>As far as memorization goes, I don’t know of a competitive or up program that doesn’t require it, it is one of the benchmarks of performance (whether I personally agree or not doesn’t matter). Depends on what has to be memorized and what doesn’t, it does vary, but certain things always seem to require memorization, romantic concertos for example. In the string world, sonatas may or may not need to be memorized, but other things do, so I would count on needing to memorize your audition rep (one except tends to be ‘modern’ classical pieces, even in performance a lot of performers use music with them, I assume because of the difficulty.). Keep in mind too that the auditions will not cover everything (for example, doing scales and etudes in auditions is not common from what I hear or saw with my own S, and it is likely they will ask you for sections of the rep, you won’t be playing through), they generally only last 10-15 mins, and thus you probably will be focusing o n key repertoire (on strings, for example, I don’t know of anyone personally who was asked to play a 20th century modern piece (i.e after 1940) at Juilliard, though it is a requirement, and it is possible someone may ask for it). </p>

<p>I suggest reading through old threads on hear about piano programs and auditions, there is a search feature, lot has been said over the years, and hopefully it will help you decide where to apply. With music in general, especially on something insanely competitive like Violin or Piano or Voice (as examples), the one thing I strongly recommend is to get an evaluation from someone in the know, if your private teacher isn’t that knowledgeable about what is going on today, maybe from someone at MSU or U Mich or another college, and see where you lie in terms of your playing. To be brutally honest, if you are seriously thinking of going into performance, if the evaluation seems to place you in the good but not great level, you may want to think about what you want to do. </p>

<p>If you are fairly close but not quite there, for example, a gap year might help (assuming you are getting close to applying, i.e are a senior or junior), if you are way off in the evaluators opinion, you might want to focus on music as something you love to do, continue to take lessons and play but concentrate on other things as a vocation, it is extremely difficult to catch up in the piano world (I am talking performance here), and would be exceedingly difficult if not impossible to make up if you are found to be significantly lacking. There obviously could be less competitive programs who might take you as is (again, if the evaluation finds you lacking), but keep in mind at all times who you would be up against when going for jobs and gigs and such, and whether you think you could get to that level coming from where you are.Obviously, if you really feel like you want to try for performance, go for it, it isn’t like if you try and don’t make it your world is over, but I also strongly encourage you to be realistic, too…it would be kind of like someone who runs a 12 second 100 meter dash trying in 6 months to get to the level required to realistically run at an Olympic level as an analogy:). </p>

<p>I wish you luck, and keep in mind this i just my opinion an experience with things, in the end, ultimately you will have to decide for yourself, and if you feel strongly about going into performance, you have every right to mutter “what the heck does that &#<em>#</em> idiot know” <em>smile</em>.</p>

<p>FutureSpartann, if you’re still with us, I noticed on another thread that you are interested in music ed. Personally, I think MSU is a much better choice for music ed than UMich. Also, I think sometimes people on this forum forget that not everyone aspires to be a nationally performing artist after getting a music degree. For instance, I have a friend who got a performance degree, which she chose to do because she wanted to have a private studio. Not only is she doing that, but she teaches ALL day (thanks to homeschoolers) and she makes more than enough to live on. She had no ambitions to audition for a top orchestra - just wanted to be good enough to be an effective teacher (and she is - her students are phenomenal). Not everybody going into music needs to go to a conservatory or top-ranked music school to do well in their field.</p>

<p>Although I have benefitted greatly from this forum, it can be intimidating at times, because you tend to feel like if you aren’t interested in going to a conservatory or one of the well-known universities, you shouldn’t post anything. I know no one intends to sound that way, but I think there are people who get scared off this forum because everyone sort of attacks them for not wanting to go to THE best music school they can get into. </p>

<p>My daughter is at UMich now, and I am very happy for her and proud of her…but I would have been just as happy for her if she had gone to Michigan State instead. However, her story is an important one. She didn’t want to apply to UMich, because she didn’t think she would get in and I think was afraid of failure. I pushed her (gently) to apply - and the rest is history, as they say. So, I agree with other posters about reaching for the stars, but on the other hand, I think MSU is a fine school too. Good luck with everything, FutureSpartann - it will be an interesting (and stressful) ride!</p>