My UCSB Experience (Pre-Health Majors)

<p>Hello everyone, I posted this in the UC general forum, and forgot that there is a specific UCSB forum. This might pertain to you guys a little bit more. </p>

<p>First off, a little about myself. I am a fourth year Biochemistry major at UCSB and will be attending a top Dental school next year. Therefore, my comments are mainly geared towards the science related professions. I want to clear up some misconceptions that I saw on these forums while I viewed them back when I was in high school. Recently, I decided to look through my previous posts from 4 years ago. My comments here were ridiculous in terms of the assumptions I made about schools. Over the past 4 years, I have matured and grown a lot.</p>

<p>1) The school you go to REALLY does not matter. I have a multitude of friends going to medical, pharmacy, optometry, and dental school next year (along with myself). We all realized that the admissions committees at each school do not care where you went for undergrad. I was fortunate enough to receive a multitude of interviews, and each one had present a diversity of students from schools around the country from low to high rankings. What mattered the MOST was DAT/GPA or MCAT/GPA or OAT/GPA or PCAT/GPA etc. They matter significantly more than your recommendation letters, Extra curricular, and so on. That being said, you should attend the school that you feel the most comfortable at, and will excel in. I'll go over later on my opinion of UCSB.</p>

<p>2) Just because it is a UC does NOT mean that letters of recommendation will be difficult to obtain. Attending office hours is important, and most professors are very generous with the amount of time that they allocate to their students. In fact, a lot of professors will give you recommendation letters if you were to just get an A in the course. However, i would advise against that. I took the time to get to know my professors well.</p>

<p>3) All schools "party." I have visited UCI, Chapman, UCLA, and other schools and realized that every school parties a lot. The difference between the schools is the location of where these parties are at, and their concentration. For example, UCSB has Isla Vista, which is a square mile in which a lot of parties take place. UCI has parties, but they are spread out all over the place so the school itself seems less impacted by the party scene. USC has the row where lots of greek life is, along with the surrounding apartments. Don't make partying a deciding factor for any school.</p>

<p>My opinion on UCSB.
I came to college thinking that I was going to be all about studying. My freshman year was the exact opposite, and as a consequence, my GPA dropped to under a 3.0. As a pre-health major, this is pretty bad. Do I regret it? No. I learned a lot during that first year in terms of communication skills, and life lessons. I made mistakes, but I learned from them. I turned myself completely around during the last 3 years, and I feel like I have learned more at this school than I have in my entire life.</p>

<p>The good: The area is beautiful, and there are a lot of fun things to do. Some things to do include hiking, downtown Santa Barbara, shotgun shooting, sky diving, water sports, really nice bicycle routes, and more. You get to live on the beach for four years while having a great social and academic experience; I can’t say the same thing for many other schools in the US. There are also a lot of nice people that are willing to help you out. Granted, it does get really competitive at times, but for the most part people are very friendly.</p>

<p>Now, if you are a science or engineering major; I HIGHLY recommend UCSB, and here is why. I have taken summer courses at UCI, and most of my friends from high school go there so I will use that school as a comparison. The breakdown of courses for biology majors in general at any school is: 1st year- General Chemistry + Lab Series, Math Series, GE's. 2nd year- Organic Chemistry+ Lab Series, Physics+Lab series, Bio+lab Series. 3rd and Fourth year- Upper divisions including genetics, biochemistry, physiology, histology, immunology and so on.
The most IMPORTANT classes are going to be your intro classes because they set a foundation for all of the other courses that you will be taking. Most schools offer some sort of tutoring for them, UCI has the LARC program while UCSB has the CLAS program. CLAS was essential for getting good grades in the intro courses. They meet twice a week and have about 25 people in each section. I used it every quarter for Chem, Ochem, Bio, Physics, and genetics. CLAS is a FREE service, while LARC is a paid service (around $50-$80 per class I believe). Because it is a paid service, many students do not use it. It gets expensive when you start using it for every class per quarter (~$180/quarter x 3 quarters/year x 2 years). My friends that are biology majors at UCI always complain about this. CLAS on the other hand, like I said previously, is free. The majority of the students are enrolled in the program, and it is treated as another class. It helps tremendously and the tutors go through a vigorous process before being selected. However, this can also make things harder for the students. The professors know that 80%+ of the students are taking these tutoring services, so they expect more of you. In fact, they often collaborate with the CLAS tutors resulting in some information coming from the tutors and not from the in-class lectures. The fact that you get more information will in turn prepare you more for larger exams, and graduate schooling. My friends and I that took the MCAT/DAT only studied for a short while, a month or so , while I have heard others study for those exams for up to 6 months. UCI also has a free tutoring service, but it is not near the same level of quality as CLAS. CLAS and LARC make a much better comparison. The reason for me mentioning the tutoring system is because I feel like this significant difference between UCSB(where nearly all the students use the tutoring service leading to, in my opinion, a better education), and some other schools where tutoring is not used as excessively.
However, like I said earlier, the school that you go to doesn’t matter. You are better off going to a school where its easier and you can get higher grades. There is a lot of competition amongst all the UC’s. Only around 10-20% of each class are getting A’s, and you should be in that top 10-20% if you are thinking of going into a health profession. The competition at other “lower tier” schools is going to be easier. You will not be given the same opportunities in terms of research, but it will be easier overall, and you will have a near equal opportunity for admittance into a health program.</p>

<p>The Bad:</p>

<p>The ONLY thing about UCSB that I didn't like is mainly revolving around the partying. As I said earlier, the parties are all concentrated in one area, so it gets pretty loud and annoying sometimes. The people can also be really ridiculous (not necessarily the UCSB students, but the out of towners that visit all the time, and SBCC students). I often am confronted with loud, obnoxious, and disrespectful people in Isla Vista. A lot of property can get vandalized around Isla Vista. The area itself is safe; I feel comfortable walking around at any time.</p>

<p>I apologize for my long post, but I hope this information will help someone out with his or her future endeavors. Please feel free to ask me questions about anything.</p>

<p>Hello…lookin at attending ucsb this upcoming fall 2011… Few questions

  1. Can I change my major before I start there?? Applied as psychology but I want to change to biology
  2. Can I double major?How hard is it?? Is double majoring imossible at ucsb because of all the students/classes get filled up??
  3. What freshman dorm would u recomend?
  4. Does ucsb give out scholarship? What’s the average amount?
  5. I’m an out of state student…are my chances of acceptance harder??
    Please please please respond back :slight_smile: Thank youuuuu!!!</p>

<p>Thanks, Di_Nate! I’ve passed this very informative and useful post to my DD who has applied to UCSB for fall 2011. She wants to be an optometrist and no matter how many times I have tried to tell her it really doesn’t matter where she goes for her undergrad pre-med degree, she doesn’t seem to hear me! :wink: The info on CLAS is invaluable, too. We were not aware of it!</p>

<p>Cool post. I’m a Biochem major also (3rd year). I use CLAS for every class that they offer it for. The one flaw in the post is, sure we live literally right on the beach, but how often do you have time to go? hah… Ochem & Physics midterm today, blehhh.</p>

<p>@ ciaramist 15

  1. I’m not sure if you can change your major before you start (I assume not). You can easily change your major after you start, but that might be too late because biology major’s have preference for the first year science courses (gen chem, and chemistry lab specifically). You can try getting into those courses by crashing them (going on the first day and seeing if they have room).<br>
  2. You can double major, although I wouldn’t really recommend it. It sounds good at first, but when you finally start to do it you will see how much work it is. What were you planning on double majoring in? You may be able to find a major that has both of your likings. In other words, I have many friends who loved biology, and how the brain works, but also liked social psychology. So they majored in Biopsychology to get a little bit of both worlds.
  3. This is all up to personal preference. I think that the on campus dorms are better than Santa Catalina simply because they are close to closer to class. You really have to look at each place to see which one will fit you the best. I believe the Santa Catalina dorms have more of a “party atmosphere.”
  4. There are a few scholarships. Most of the aid they give out is federal grant money, and subsidized/unsubsidized loans. It depends on your parents income. You can also look into being a regents scholar if your stats are high enough.
  5. OOS applicants have it harder than in state for sure. But also note that the number of out of state applicants are less. I’m not really sure of what the exact “chances” are.</p>

<p>@seismom</p>

<p>I’m glad you found the information useful. I have a few pre-optometry friends that are just now getting ready to apply, and i’m sure that they will have no trouble with getting in. I’m sure your daughter will like the pre-health program that UCSB has to offer.</p>

<p>Hey! This post was sooo helpful and actually makes me want to go to UCSB even more! I have already applied and I am waiting for the decision which will come out later this month (fingers crossed). Do you think you could help me with what my chances for acceptance are? Thank you!!!</p>

<p>SAT I (by section): 1980
SAT IIs: Chemistry 740, Math II 610
ACT w/ Writing: 30
APs: Completed: Chemistry, Calculus AB, English Language
In Progress: Gov/Econ, Stats, Bio</p>

<p>Hours: 400 community service hours</p>

<p>Subjective:
ECs: Martial Arts-10 years
Cross Country- 2 years
Habitat for Humanity- 4 years, CO-Pres. 1 year
Hospital Volunteer (over 200 hours)</p>

<p>Job/Work Experience: Taught Karate for 3 years
Currently working as a Tutor/Teacher at a learning center (for about four years now)
Currently working as a Restraunt Hostess as well </p>

<p>Location/Person:
State or Country: California
School Type: Public
Ethnicity: Asian-Indian
Gender: Female</p>

<p>Other: My Freshman year gpa was a 2.3, it rose to a 4.1 by the end of junior year. This could either make or break me… I discussed this in my essay as well</p>

<p>Essays

  1. Karate
  2. Hospital Volunteer
    THANKS SO MUCH! =]</p>

<p>@farsheezy - You’ll probably get in, but lets not turn this into a “what are my chances” thread. I can answer any of your other questions though!</p>

<p>how difficult is it to get into first year chem, bio, orgo and physics if you are not a science major? I am going to an art major but i would like to apply to medical school when i finish…so is it possible to get into those courses without being a bio major?</p>

<p>@trrtrrt13 - It is sometimes difficult to get into those courses without being a biology major because biology majors get priority on some of those classes during registration times. Sometimes you may get lucky and get in the class though. I know someone who was a classics major and got into chemistry (but not the lab) during her first year. If you don’t get in, you will be able to get in during winter and spring quarters, which will put you one class behind the rest of the science majors…but really shouldn’t be that big of a deal. (although, in my opinion, the professors that teach the ABC series starting in fall tend to be better). I hope that helped.</p>

<p>Initially, you should be fine. However, when you reach ochem lab it will be more difficult since 1st pass is reserved for chemistry and chem-e majors. I think I ended up with one of the last spots even when taking it on an off quarter with senior standing. Getting in honors is your best bet though as you will not have any issue getting classes with the early pass times.</p>

<p>I got into UCI and UCSB. I’m mainly leaning towards UCSB because of the location and it just seems (from what I hear) more “chill.” I will visit both campuses within the next week, and yes, I’m premed. I got in for prebio for UCSB, and bio for UCI. People always say that UCI’s science program is really good and stuff, but I’ve also heard that there is competition for research and internships. Is there a lot of competition for research and the like at UCSB? Thank you</p>

<p>There is competition for research positions. However, if you really want a research position, you will get one. I don’t know anyone who couldn’t get a research position. (In fact, most people get the positions with minimal searching and effort)</p>

<p>im confused</p>

<p>online it said that UCSB has no medical school</p>

<p>does that mean you cant study to be a doctor or what</p>

<p>^ dude, undergrad school =/= medical school… unless you applied to a BA/MD program for some private school or something
you can study by taking the required science classes at ucsb…
complete prereqs at an accredited institution, do well on mcat, aim for a high gpa => apply to medical school
you can google this stuff, you know :(</p>

<p>If we want to go to pre-med. Do you recommend taking biochem or just chem at UCSB?
My current major is Chem. Is biochem way harder than chem?</p>

<p>Could you give me an idea of what some of the better classes are to fill GE reqs?</p>

<p>@umakeit- It really depends on you. I personally like biochemistry more because I find it more useful, and it will help prepare you a bit more for the MCAT. Biochemistry is essentially just the study of applied chemistry to life. It also depends on whether or not you are doing a BA, or BS in chemistry. The BA in chemistry is going to me much easier than BS Biochem, and the BS in chem is probably around the same difficulty as BS biochem. </p>

<p>@fred11- this is your chance to take classes that you wouldn’t normally take, so take what interests you. It’s been a while since I took my GEs, but from what I remember, the human sex course, and music 15 are easy and fun. What GE areas do you have left to take?</p>

<p>there is a human sex course ??? I hope the lab is required !!!</p>

<p>I’ll be a freshman next year so all of them =) I was just wondering if there were any classes to especially take or avoid.</p>