My Visit to IU

<p>I'm actually typing this message from the IU Memorial Union, where i'm spending the night.</p>

<p>We drove from Ann Arbor, and Google said that it was going to be 6.5 hours. We made it in 5, but that's because I was driving. When I was coming here, I thought I was going to be driving through farms, flat land, and seeing corn. Really wasn't like that at all. It was rolling hills, huge trees, lots of green. Was cloudy skies though. Drive wasn't bad at all, Indianapolis was easy to drive through. Although northern Indiana is a bore, it's ALL FARMS. </p>

<p>The campus actually reminds me a bit of Michigan State's campus if anyone has visited there, in terms of location within the town. Okay, that didn't make much sense, but what Indiana is to Bloomington, MSU is to East Lansing. They make up the town. It's definitely a college town, there is the college, and not much more here from what i've seen so far. </p>

<p>The Union is gigantic. I've gotten lost here about 3 times already, hopefully I can find my way back to my room without ending up in a meeting room again. I heard it was the largest Union in America, no doubt, with the Hotel and Conference Center, the Bowling Alley/Game Room, etc. There are kids literally studying everywhere, I walk across the union and at every couch, there are kids reading their textbooks. I don't know if it's finals week or not, but I fail to see the party reputation that the campus is known for so far.</p>

<p>We went exploring, seeing as we arrived a few hours earlier than anticipated. I was told to go exploring on Kirkwood Ave, where the shops and stores are. We saw Steve and Barry's, so I bought $25 bucks of apparel there. I was actually dissapointed with stuff to do on campus. You don't get the feeling like you're in the middle of nowhere here, but there really aren't many dining options. We were thinking of eating at Kilroys, which a lot of students were at, but my mother didn't like the stench of stale beer in the restaurant, and outside kids were smoking and drinking. We really didn't see any other restaurant bars there, so we just stayed in the Union and got some fast food. Again, even in the fast food place, there were kids studying. I'm from Ann Arbor, and there are so many things to do downtown. Here, there's maybe a Starbucks, Kilroys, this place called Nicks, Jimmy Johns, some Mexican food, and that's it. Like 10 restaurants in one block. </p>

<p>The campus is really just like it shows in the photos. There is no graffiti anywhere, it's beautiful, the flowers are starting to bloom, red and white tulips. Love the Indiana Limestone buildings, they are nice. There were some walking paths in the woods, but we didn't walk those, we probably will on our tour tomorrow. Central Campus looks really nice, but I don't know how Northwest is. That's the dorm I requested, and if it's really near the football stadium, that's a ways away. They have bus systems running throughout the campus though, I see buses every 10 minues.</p>

<p>This place is big and crowded. There are SO MANY PEOPLE HERE. I couldn't believe I didn't hit one of them trying to find the Union (we didn't bring a map, that was a mistake). Fortunately, they are all pretty nice. Girls look good here, but I have the feeling that the majority of them came here for the parties. There's an article in the IDS today about Girls and Fraternities, and nude pictures, I won't go into it. Anyways, the student body is nearly all whtie. For every 50 white people i'd see, I would see 3 minorities. Not much diversity at all, but it's not like people have been discriminated against. Seems like it would take a while to get from place to place here.</p>

<p>Okay, I don't know what else to talk about. Going to bed soon, waking up in the morning, doing the tour. First impressions: positive, but somewhat dissapointed.</p>

<p>Hey I'm from Northern Indiana! yea, though man it's pretty serene. Also enjoy yourself.</p>

<p>heh as long as the people arent racist or turned off by minorities i got no problemo :) yea wen i went to the IU memorial, lots of kids were studying too, i tink its testing/midterm time coming soon cuz my bro is takin a lot of tests too at his school. hey no college is perfect in EVERY single way, tats like hard! as long as the important aspects of what you are lookin for are there then its ok :) hope you're not havin 2nd thoughts..</p>

<p>Finals week in the first week of May, so lots of kids have papers and projects due soon, and tests not far behind.</p>

<p>As for restaurants, there are lots of little restaurants in older houses just a couple blocks off Kirkwood. Lots of ethnic restaurants. We ate at a very nice little Greek restaurant in that area.</p>

<p>Hope the rest of your visit goes well!</p>

<p>Okay, i'm back from my visit!</p>

<p>So i'll talk about the academics, because i'm guessing that's what a lot of you want to hear, what they told us about the business school. Okay, so everyone has a real high opinion of the business school. Our tour guide was doing a useless Psychology major (sorry if that offended anyone, but it is), and she was jealous that while she's a poor college student, she sees all these business school kids going to high paying internships over the summer to NYC and LA, whereas she's doing nothing. You could definitely tell the business school people from the rest of the school, there are more asians in the business school, more diversity, and people from all over, coming to IU just for the B-School. It's the nicest and newest building there, you get that feeling the second you walk upstairs, and you see the words "Hall of Honor", and pictures of important people on the walls. You walk into a meeting room and it's got a 40 inch plasma TV, with nice chairs. </p>

<p>I had to leave and talk to my Sport Management person in HPER (which the students call "hyper"), and I was like "dang, now I have to leave this building"! But the B-School overlooks the arboretum, which is GORGEOUS, there's a pond, lots of open field. About the arboretum, a bit of history. They were going to make it a parking garage, and the students protested, so they got that area instead. The library also overlooks the arb, the library is big. In 2 sections, the UG library and the G library, she said she doesn't like going into the G library, because it's really quiet and serious. In the arboretum, you can bring your laptop and access the internet. It's sweet, anywhere on campus you can access the internet. Indiana was one of the most wired and unwired campuses in the country. They have ethernet in each dorm room, and if you don't do ethernet, you just have the really nice wireless connection. Oh, and if you don't have a laptop/don't want one, they have computers everywhere. Every dorm has a computer lab, you get like 650+ pages for printing so no worries, you're not going to get over that quota. When you turn in a paper, they use something called "Turn it in.com", which is a plagarism check, in addition to a hard copy. There is something called MTS, where the graduate students volunteer for experience for, and you turn your papers in a few days before the deadline, and they turn it into an A paper. Real nice.</p>

<p>The dorms were alright, they weren't new or anything, some are airconditioned, actually only 3 of them aren't. Briscoe in NW isn't, Reed in SE isn't, and I don't remember the 3rd one. It's on central campus. It's easy to get A/C, if you have a nice doctor they can make a note for you, and IU doesn't care, they don't have the time to call the doctor or anything. And you don't really need A/C, they let you put fans in the windows and it doesn't get real hot except for the first few weeks of the school year.</p>

<p>I said earlier that I saw a bunch of kids studying. Turns out, they are getting out in like a week, a lot of papers were due, and it's a busy time academically. The Union is HUGE. I got lost in it about 3 times. There are so many places to lounge and study, although there was more lounging than studying going on it seemed. </p>

<p>If I had to describe the typical IU student, I would say it's a white male who wears IU clothing, is casual, not too social, not too into parties. If you are preppy and wear collared clothing everywhere, Abercrombie, popped collars, etc, you won't fit in here. Although the fraternity guys seemed to be like that. As for the girls, well, it seems like half are here to party. Short skirts, IU clothing (3 out of 4 kids had an Indiana shirt on it seemed), some had heels, some didn't. Just the typical kid at a high school, not real alternative, not preppy, for both sexes. </p>

<p>My mom is in love with the campus. It's so nice, we were there on a 70 degree day with nothing but sun. The river that runs through, the architecture, the Indiana Limestone buildings, the Union, the gates, it's all SO NICE. The pathways, they are well lit at night, fun to walk through. There is no place that seemed even close to unsafe. And they have phones with blue lights that you can call in emergencies on campus too, although I only saw a few of them. There is a lot of lilac colored trees/plants, also Red and White tulips in the gates, it was real pretty. Kids were walking outside, making sure they enjoyed the scenery rather than staying in buildings, just a gorgeous day. </p>

<p>As for things to do, I found more today. Turns out, I didn't go far enough down on Kirkwood Ave. to really see things. There are tons of places to eat. There's even a mall north of campus that the bus runs to. Buses run all over campus, kids say it's easy to take them, I didn't see any real long lines to get on the buses. I would even see 2-3 on one street at a time. </p>

<p>Okay, for my sport management meeting, this was real important to me. I asked them about internships, and she said that actually she got an e-mail from someone who was just employed by the Raiders, who came back to IU saying "Hey! Send me some interns!" She said that there have been a lot of kids that have gone on to work in pro personnel for major organizations, and that placement is good. They don't have guaranteed jobs for graduation, but rates are high. They have a career center, postings, and advisors. I don't know much about the business school, but everyone said those graduates get the best jobs out of all the graduates. For SM, I asked why their program wasn't approved, and her response was great. "It's by choice. We don't want to go through the lengthy application process. Our program is known as one of the best, employers come here, we don't need some recognition for that. You don't find better schools than us for Sport Management". I thought this was exactly the response you needed to say to a question like mine. </p>

<p>What else... ummmm... financial aid. Some weren't pleased with their grants. Actually, for OOS students, there really isn't anything to do other than get scholarships (Faculty Awards, and departmental awards). If you get directly admitted to a school, you can apply for scholarships once you get on campus, but that's the only way you can really get more money. Have to get a good GPA too. They have a job fair, where there are some employers there in the morning for the work-study students, and even more employers there later in the day for the non-work-study people. It's pretty pointless to do work study, you can only work a certain amount of hours, and the pay is about the same. She said that I should just get my own job, as there are more options and I can work as much as I want to pay for my education. </p>

<p>They also said for housing not to request a place just because "hey, that's where my major is", because you're not going to be taking classes in your major until sophomore year, well, maybe 1-2 freshman year. They want you to be exploratory the first few years, try out other things, which is a waste of time and energy for someone like me who already has their mind made up. Oh well, no way around it. For business students, they have to take I-Core, Which is like management, marketing, finance, accounting, and other courses, before you go into one department. Basically they want you to experience everything. The people I ran into were all doing finance, which was interesting, there were people coming from all over for that program. Some kids had i-banking ambitions, and even were doing internships.</p>

<p>You're probably wondering negatives, well, I would say the lack of diversity is the only turnoff. For every 90 kids, there are about 10 minorities, and 80 caucasions, 50 of those caucasions being from Indiana. But no one is really racist, there's organizations for each minority group too. The people are really nice, although I question the intelligence of some people. It's not ivy league caliber students you're competing against, rather average joes. Not too hard to get a high GPA from what it seemed, although you're definitely going to have a changing lifestyle with more studying each night. </p>

<p>I'll answer any questions, it was a great visit. There were kids turning in their enrollment deposit as I was leaving the tour, although i've got a couple other colleges I want to look at.</p>

<p>Thanks for the review, it's really helpful for someone like me from California who can't exactly drive down there.</p>

<p>Would you agree with the women's characterization of the SM program? Did it seem like good quality? I assume classes would be smaller for the SM program, did you hear anything regarding class sizes? Anything you could expand on here, because I'm looking to go into that [SM] program.</p>

<p>Do you think an (average) person like me, from CA, would have any trouble fitting in with a mainly local population?</p>

<p>Thanks again for the impressions, they're very helpful.</p>

<p>Alright, first off about the SM program, I left this out. I wanted to major in business and Sport Management. I was already directly admitted to the business school, so that was nice. Turns out, if you're directly admitted to one school, you're directly admitted to any school you choose. She suggested that for what I go into, to get a business major, and a SM minor, because that business degree from Kelley looks REAL GOOD. She said that the dual major would take a lot out of you, and didn't recomment it. </p>

<p>I would agree with her thoughts, because from my research, there really aren't many great universities that offer SM. Indiana ranks pretty high in US News overall (top 75), peer assessment (top 50), and business (top 10), so it's overall reputation is what reflects on it's SM program. People just see the name Indiana, and immediately look at the resume, because it has a great rep. </p>

<p>Class sizes. I really didn't see any of the classes, we didn't go into class rooms, or lecture halls. A student said that he would have for freshman year some lectures, others not. Like Intro to Psychology would be a lecture because everyone wants to take it. But your SM classes, because the demand isn't as large, wouldn't be as big. I got sheets and a booklet describing the classes, and they've got everything you could ask for, you will come out knowing how to do everything.</p>

<p>The reason she requested business is because you can do SM with the business degree, but you can't do business with a SM degree. An example she used was the chancellor's S, who was a telecommunications major, now works at ESPN. He could have done the same thing with Sport Communications, but he still got the job he wanted.</p>

<p>I thought the program was something I really would be interested in. The building itself wasn't as nice inside as others, but it's an old gymnasium, the oldest building on campus. I didn't see any of the classrooms, rather just the offices of the professors. So it was more of a meeting gaining knowledge of the program, rather than seeing what courses these people are taking. I got the sense that the SM majors weren't real bright, seeing the students in the area. HPER was hot, the building needs A/C, it has it, but it needs more. Contact Gwen Hamm, she's the undergraduate program director, who can answer your questions. Nice lady, down to earth.</p>

<p>Fitting in, I don't think you'd have a problem. The population is about 33% OOS students, and while a good majority of those will be midwestern people, there are people from NY, CA, FL, TX, and other places. It's a large student body, although there are a lot of caucasions from Indiana, there are people from all over. No one was rude, no one seemed reluctant socially. People got along from what I saw.</p>

<p>There were actually people from Florida in my tour group, Texas, California. I saw a few Cali license plates. For SM, there is actually a freshman interest group for SM where you can take classes with 20 people who are in SM as well, and get to know them, if you are worried about making friends. I think i'm going to do that. Also, there's a Sports and Society residential college, if you want to do that. So you can room with people who also like sports, and you can take classes with people who are interested in SM. It makes the school smaller and creates what seems like forced friendships, lol.</p>

<p>How did you find nothing to do? This week is the Little 500. Indiana's largest party week, and voted the world's greatest college weekend. The night you found nothing to do, Wilco was playing a live concert. All week there has been free concerts, bbqs, give aways, events, and parties. The frats/sororities are having parties and give aways, and so are the clubs and organizations. I do not understand how you found nothing to do on Indiana's biggest party week. You need to go outside and talk to people instead of posting on a message board if you want to have a good time.</p>

<p>Yeah, it was the Little 500 weekend, everyone was looking forward to that, although I don't really know much about it other than it being a bike race that everyone gets pumped for. Oh well, need to be there to understand it I guess, don't even know where they are going to do it, they said it used to be in the arboretum where they filmed breaking away.</p>

<p>Again, I got in at 5:00 last afternoon after a 5 hour car ride, the only thing I had time for was some dinner and some rest, I had to get up at 7 the next morning. The last thing I wanted to do was go out and party. And, I couldn't really go out and party considering I was there for a visit with my mom, and if I left late at night, she would know where I was going, lol. Then I had the forum thing the entire day, 8-3, and had to leave quickly to avoid rush hour traffic in Indianapolis.</p>

<p>calimatt heh im from california too ( southern cali) i visited also and although its largely caucasian, its got all kinds of people so it shouldnt be a big problem fitting in. again like a2wolves said, 33% approximated out of state pop. so dont worry.</p>

<p>jeez bassjammer a little harsh? :) the guy was just posting what he saw during his visit its a big school cant expect to know what goes on everyday when a person is just visiting the undergraduate school of his interest and is primarily focused on academics,social environment and financial aid..... u must be an IU student heh cuz u seem to know everything that went on, the day a2wolves was there.</p>

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<p>PICTURES! 91 of them, although the one of the Martinsville sign was a mistake. Enjoy!</p>

<p>Nice pictures! They make me anxious to return! (I'll be leaving May 4 for IU to bring son home for the summer.) Are you in any of them?</p>

<p>I think you may have my son in one of your pictures, although I can't be sure since it is a back view. It's a picture near the end where a guy is crossing the street toward IU Varsity Shop and Cold Stone Creamery, and there is a white car in front of him. </p>

<p>Thanks for sharing those.</p>

<p>How did you go to so many places?? My tour wasn't near as good as it looks like yours was. We didn't go in Assembly Hall or a dorm, or many of the other buildings that you did.</p>

<p>Well, I did the "Freshman Forum". I don't know if you did that or just a general visit. The forum actually didn't take us to Assembly Hall or Memorial Stadium, that's just something I had to see on my way out of town. So we drove up there, parked, took some pictures, and left. </p>

<p>I'm not in any of the pictures, I was taking the pictures.</p>

<p>Thanks for taking the time to post these for all of us, A2Wolves. I appreciate it greatly, since I still haven't been there myself. </p>

<p>Susan, how weird would it be if Wolves caught your son in one of his shots, given the thousands of people there? Can you get your son to verify whether or not it's him?</p>

<p>A2Wolves, my son likes the energy level, and school spirit at Michigan. He also likes the town of Ann Arbor (lots to do). </p>

<p>How does Indiana and Bloomington compare? From your posts, it seems like Indiana and Bloomington are quieter.</p>

<p>What other schools are you considering? Wisc and Bentley?</p>

<p>Aimhigh,
My son says he hasn't been in that part of town lately. I sent him the pic, just to be sure, but he says it must be somebody else. Too bad. It would've been kind of neat...</p>

<p>Pics look good, makes me excited about going to Indiana in the fall. Indiana has alot of green on its campus.</p>

<p>Susantm, how does your son compare Indiana to Oregon? Not the universities but the states. I used to live in Oregon and would like to know if their similar.</p>