National Merit cuts

<p>Test date 16th oct </p>

<p>225
M-78 (1 wrong)
W-74(2 wrong )
CR-73 (3 wrong)</p>

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<p>Looks like this year is like 2007 and 2014 for the national percentiles: <a href=“http://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/understanding-psat-nmsqt-scores.pdf[/url]”>http://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/understanding-psat-nmsqt-scores.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Erlanger, don’t forget that the data in that report (this year’s report) IS the 2014 data. We don’t yet have the 2015 (what counts for us) data.</p>

<p>Another score - my D got 220 in IL
CR 69 - 5 wrong, 0 omitted
M 73- 3 wrong, 0 omitted
W 78 - 1 wrong, 0 omitted
She had the Oct 16 Wed test date</p>

<p>FL Score:
220 on Wednesday test.
CR 73- 3 wrong, 0 omitted
CM 80- 0 wrong 0 omitted
CW 67 ( ouch!) 4 wrong, 0 omitted.</p>

<p>Adding score for data point. Saturday test - Oct. 19.
231
CR 76 - 1 wrong, 1 omitted
M 75 - 1 wrong (Interesting. It looks like 1 wrong on Wednesday test was a 78?)
W 80 - none wrong or omitted</p>

<p>^^ Suzy, congrats to your DD on her excellent score! That’s awesome.</p>

<p>Here’s info for Kansas - and if this helps anybody in CC Land with projections, then bless you!</p>

<p>My DS: 213
CR 73 - 3 wrong, 0 omitted
M 62 - 9 wrong (yikes!) 1 omitted - DS is not a Math Guy, but he did think he’d do better than he did on the Math section
W 78 - 1 wrong, 0 omitted</p>

<p>He took the Wed 10/16 test.</p>

<p>And, fwiw, here’s the scoop on his HS: According to the principal, who announced this to the PSAT test-takers when reviewing scores in a big group, there are 8 Juniors who - in his view - <em>could</em> be eligible for NMSF, based on KS cutoff history. DS believes there are 5 students above him, (1) 223; (3) 220; (1) 217. And then DS with a 213, plus a few other scores 1-2 points below his. The KS cut-off for Class of 2014 was 216, which was up 4 points from the prior year. DS is definitely “on-the-bubble,” and he will probably miss NMSF by one point - knowing our luck - but he can’t complain. He did his best & he’s very happy with his score.</p>

<p>The reason I mention the other scores is to say that they are lower at DS’s HS this year than they were last year. 223 is the highest (DS is certain of that) and there are usually students who break 230. DS’s school is known for producing several NMS each year.</p>

<p>I have no idea if this is helpful, but there’s all the info we have here. I appreciate PA Mom and others who are attempting to gather data & make projections. We might as well do that because we don’t really have anything else to do while we wait until Aug/Sept!</p>

<p>Sat test</p>

<p>CR 80 - 1 omitted ( I assume that’s the same as 1 wrong)
MA 72.- 2 wrong (one a fill in)
W 70 - 3 wrong</p>

<p>So it looks like Sat was more generous for CR, but rougher on math and writing.</p>

<p>Dad, thanks for the info. We are a little above an actual “bubble”, but no guarantee, so I appreciate any thoughts that this year’s test might be more difficult. I do know of local students who scored worse this year than last. Good luck to your son!</p>

<p>Jbourne, one omitted in your case is the same as one wrong, because the guessing penalty rounds up, but when you miss several, the negative quarter points start to add up. Your scores are excellent! Congrats!</p>

<p>Suzy, those differences are hard to read. My son’s two wrong in writing would have been 74 on Wed, instead of 72 on Sat, and those are 2 points I’d love to have right about now. But of course, he may have gotten 3 wrong on that particular version. Who knows? Given he’s a weaker verbal student, maybe the CR “advantage” pulled him up.</p>

<p>Here is another 2015 data point. Tested on Sat. 19th
We are in FL. My son scored a 223:
76 CR (2 errors, no omissions)
75 M (1, 0)
72 W (2,0)</p>

<p>Glad to see some other folks mulling over the data! I’ve been going a bit nutty myself, and agree with GoAskDad that we might as well make projections as we wait for the August/September announcements! DS got a 219 in Texas, which was the cutoff for classes of 2012 and 2014. His 2 older siblings made the cuts with 217 in 2010 (cutoff was 216) and 233 in 2012 (cutoff was 219). With his luck, he will miss by one! Aaarrgghhh!!!</p>

<p>Here’s my prediction: Scores will go down this year. (Is this just my wishful thinking?) For the class of 2014, every state went up except LA which had no change. Even Texas, which has over 200,000 juniors taking the PSAT, went up by 4 points. Usually the smaller states have more volatile scores. Shocking for a big state like Texas to have gone up so much. For the class of 2013, every state went down except for LA which had no change. Anyway, seems like down-up-DOWN, right? This should be a down year!? </p>

<p>The state data usually comes out in February and is based on the actual year’s data, unlike the percentiles given with the 2013 test scores which were based on 2012 data. That should be useful for predictions. </p>

<p>But I don’t think the analyses based on scaled or raw scores are very helpful. College Board takes the raw scores, which may go up or down based on difficulty of the test, and converts them to a scaled score. College Board’s own literature says that this allows for scores to be compared between different versions of the test and DIFFERENT YEARS! So regardless of how difficult the test is, the scaled score is purposely set to make comparisons possible. While it might appear that the 2013 test was more difficult, that doesn’t mean the scaled scores are lower. Just depends on how College Board decided to set the scaled scores. And I think that depends on what College Board’s goal is. Do they want consistency? Do they want unpredictability so as to keep the discussion (like this one) going to spur more interest? Do they want to improve correlation between the PSAT and the SAT? Seems to me that the only thing that helps with predictions is the percentiles and, as mentioned above, those are now based on the previous year. So, here’s hoping the State Summary reports will still be based on the actual test year when released next month!</p>

<p>GoAskDad, interesting about the lower scores at your high school. DS only knows of one score above his 219, and only knows of one likely National Hispanic Scholar. Our high school usually has 4 NMSF, and about 4 National Hispanic and 1 or 2 National Achievement. Last year, 7 NMSF and about 10 National Hispanic and National Achievement kids! It is possible that DS just hasn’t heard much about scores, though, because some kids got theirs before Christmas break and some got scores after, so there was less talk overall about scores this year. Several kids had lower scores from sophomore to junior year. I had been thinking the lower scores could be due to our district canceling a free summer SAT prep program. It was a great program but not available to this year’s juniors in our district. But maybe scores are down overall. Hope so! But the way Texas is booming has me concerned! Lots of smart kids moving in as oil companies relocate engineers and other brainy technical parents.</p>

<p>Obviously no one can accurately say Yes or No - but I’m betting a 213 more than cleared him for NMSF in SD. We lived there when our daughter took the test in 2012, our target score for her was 213 to be “safe” and at the cutoff of 206 for her year a 213 would have been more than safe (she ended up getting even higher, but that’s besides the point). I’m pretty sure you’ll be notified of status in August.</p>

<p>It does seem, from what my kid has heard, that the test this year was more difficult. D’s school had a record 9 NMSF for the class of 2014 and the most they have ever had was 3. This is a medium size public school which offers no formal prep of any kind. Because of a district change in policy for the past two years, the sophomores were required to take the ACT PLAN test last year as well as the year before so neither the class of 2014 or 2015 had access to a practice PSAT as in years past. This year looks like just a handful of kids may have made over a 210.</p>

<p>saismom, what state are you in? Do the kids over 210 have a shot at NMSF?</p>