NEVER say blacks will do worse at elite colleges...

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<p>"B B 1984...now your trying to say that NO white students at harvard fail, that they just drop out because they want to...no comment."</p>

<p>As a passive observer of this forum, I have to say that that was a completely incorrect conclusion. BigBrother1984's assertion was the opposite of your statement; he said that white people DO fail out of elite schools simply because the admissions committees fail to make a correct judgment call on the ability of the person to withstand the pressures of the college. The straw man tactic must be used in a more subtle fashion, you'llsee...</p>

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<p>your yao ming post made no sense....it wasn't worthy enough to be responded to. also, you actually made yourself look stupid when you changed you argument. at first your were only talking about SAT, and then you tried to say..." not just SAT, ec's, essays, everything".</p>

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<p>btw, i'm sure if kk is so good at debate and arguing, he'll definitely tell u i beat you in this thread completely.
he's on your side.</p>

<p>throughout this thread, how many PRO-AAERS have told you they disagreed w/ you? do u really want me to identify all of them out and count them up?
i thought you'd have a bit of shame, what do u say about those PRO-AAers? they disagree w/ u as well.</p>

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<p>find the post plz. </p>

<p>btw, i was making an analogy to say how stupid your post about qualification and disadvantaged. </p>

<p>perhaps i shouldn't argue w/ someone who can't read and comprehend English?</p>

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<p>you analogy didn't make sense, and in no way did it counter my post about qual. and disadv.</p>

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<p>^ you obviously didn't comprehend what my post (qual disadv.) was saying. so i guess i shouldn't be arguing with you.</p>

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<p>PLEASE FIND THE POST WHERE I SAY ADMISSIONS IS ALL ABOUT SAT</p>

<p>your qualification and disadv. have nothing related besides they are characteristics of applicants, just like height and skin color are charactisterics of basketball players, but they have nothing in common.</p>

<p>sorry I didn't make myself clear enough for you</p>

<p>next time you respond something stupid, and I want to educate you, i'll make sure I say it in a way you can understand.</p>

<p>sorry, my bad</p>

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<p>also, pro AAers disagreeing with me?</p>

<p>my whole point of the thread was directed to people who say that urms that get into elite colleges won't do good. i showed that they do. how could any pro-AAer disagree with that? your making yourself look stupid again.</p>

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<p>wrong, that's not what my post was saying. see, you can't comprehend.</p>

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<p>.....you really want me to look it up huh???</p>

<p>this is the last time, I'll completely shut you down. after I show all the pro-aaers who disagree w/ u, please get the hell out of here. </p>

<ol>
<li>"I hate faulty research and conclusions drawn on such. you'llsee, I have no problem with you holding a pro-AA stance, but to link garbage in order to support your belief makes your argument garbage."</li>
</ol>

<p>2."Just to be clear: I've been critical of the OPs tone but I SUPPORT FULLY schools' desire for and the goal of diversity -- ethnic, economic, geographic, athletic, legacy, internationals, etc. I think AA has its place but don't support it being wielded like a sledgehammer -- or some sacred cow that should remain forever free from criticism."</p>

<p>3."Agreed! I'm probably more pro-AA than not but your two points are valid (despite what the obviously pro-AA OP seems to imply)."
(note: the two points that's valid is not you'llsee, it's another poster)</p>

<ol>
<li><p>"^^^Right. I think it is perfectly legit to concede those two points and still be pro-AA. However, it's amazing how many pro-AAers try to deny what is plainly obvious. Esp. point #1. THAT'S THE FREAKIN' DEFINITION OF AA, to give minorities an advantage. It's an absolute contradiction to be pro-affirmative action and still maintain that URMs have the same academic qualifications as ORMs."</p></li>
<li><p>""all the SAT preparation crap and minorities come from worse backgrounds crap is all POINTLESS"</p></li>
</ol>

<p>-Those are ridiculous arguments- and are not ones made by me."
(note: this is by KK, even he thinks you're arguments are "ridiculous")</p>

<ol>
<li>"Talking about SAT scores is a horrible way to justify AA. Why? Because it assumes that higher scores = better applicant. It assumes that colleges have a set base score for admitting their students, when, in actuality, they do not." (from kk)</li>
</ol>

<p>those are just top 10 pages.
enough said.
now, get the hell out of here. </p>

<p>PWNED. IN YOUR FACE.</p>

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<p>lol i've been following this thread, not wanting to post my opinon considering most ppl here dont seem to have logic.</p>

<p>i ahve to say, screw the pc, congrads! you definitely have made the best points and most reasonable arguments. it's funny even pro-AA ppl disagree w/ you'llsee, and considering that he's totally shut down and lost alll his argument, i think we should just leave him alone, shouldn't se, screwthepc?</p>

<p>after all, it's a bit too obvious who won and who lost, you dont realy have to be that harsh on someone who obviously has no brain yet calling others stupid/idiot/moron. c'mon, since he obviously have problems, why do u even SPEND your time arguing w/ him screwthepc? </p>

<p>people (like you'llsee) just twist words around. </p>

<p>anyway, if you'llsee have any sort of shame, he wont come back again, and we can all be in peace (unless kk comes back and starts twisting words again)</p>

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<p>lol i came across this thread at harvard forum by you'llsee.</p>

<p>EVERYONE, plz look at how ridiculous he is.
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=358316%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=358316&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>ouch, harvard kids closed him down like an ice cream shop in December.</p>

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<p>congrads to everyone who fought to the end.
obviously you'll see has been defeated.</p>

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<p>
[quote]
congrads to everyone who fought to the end.
obviously you'll see has been defeated.

[/quote]
</p>

<p>Ok that was completely unnecessary. There's no need to ever state the obvious. People have eyes.</p>

<p>On another note, the last few posts were a pain to read. I suggest some of you brush up your typesetting because I feel like I'm reading posts by students not competent at all in the English language.</p>

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<p>I'm sorry big brother.
no one is as competent as you are in the English language.</p>

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<p>Not everyone's first language is English...</p>

<p>Ouch! Well they are Harvard students ;)</p>

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<p>There is flaw in the OP opening statement. It is trying to convey the following analogy</p>

<p>Since the graduation rate at Harvard for black is the highest hence the quality of the black students admitted is no less than the ORM.</p>

<p>You cannot reach this conclusion unless you prove that the ORM students the black students replaced to get into Harvard would fail to graduate.</p>

<p>Since it is not the case and all the students that apply to Harvard are more than capable to graduate the statement on its own doesn't convey any meaningful conclusion.</p>

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<p>African American: Harvard..........95% (avg. gpa....~3.4)</p>

<p>Total: "Harvard graduates 97% ('06) of its students, among the highest rates at American colleges and universities. Everyone admitted to Harvard has the ability to complete all academic requirements successfully." - <a href="http://www.admissions.college.harvard.edu%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.admissions.college.harvard.edu&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>African American: Amherst..........94%</p>

<p>Total: 96% in 6 yrs ('06)- Amherst Common Data Set
<a href="https://cms.amherst.edu/aboutamherst/glance/common_data_sets%5B/url%5D"&gt;https://cms.amherst.edu/aboutamherst/glance/common_data_sets&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>African American: Princeton........94%</p>

<p>Total: 97% - USNEWS ('07)</p>

<p>African American: Yale................92%</p>

<p>Total: 96% (00-01) <a href="http://www.yale.edu/oir/open/pdf_public/W041_YC_Grad_Rates.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.yale.edu/oir/open/pdf_public/W041_YC_Grad_Rates.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>African American: Stanford..........90%</p>

<p>Total: 95.2% ('07)
<a href="http://www.stanford.edu/home/statistics/#enrollment%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.stanford.edu/home/statistics/#enrollment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>What am I trying to say? Your numbers mean nothing, unless you want to acknowledge that African Americans on average are less capable of graduating these fine institutions than the rest (ORMs and other URMs).</p>

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<p>For the final time:</p>

<p>THIS IS A TROLL POST. THE OP IS EITHER AN IMBECILE OR A VERY POOR TROLL. LET THE THREAD DIE. THERE IS NOTHING WORTHWHILE HERE.</p>