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<p>Penn is in an urban area, and sure there’s crime, but the area is NOT scary at all. What a joke.</p>
<p>An “unsafe” area doesn’t make it a worse bschool. And Dawgie, ND is definitely not top 10. Openedskittles, as usual, is dead on.</p>
<p>Eh, you’re probably going to learn the same material anywhere in the top 20. What you’re getting from the higher schools is atmosphere and networking. Besides, employers don’t care about rankings, they know whats good.</p>
<p>BusinessWeek is in the business to sell magazines. That’s it.</p>
<p>LOL… Look at the history of BW lists… They do this every year to (in my opinion) just get people talking about BW. Again in my opinion, they would do a better job pulling names out of a hat. Take a look at last years college rankings, they were truly rank.</p>
<p>“USC and CMU get pwn3d” -maxellis</p>
<p>Ooh, didn’t notice that. While I do think USC and CMU should be ranked higher, USC is highly overrated in my opinion. USC just has a name because it’s big on sports. The academics are not THAT great (relative to top universities) and it’s located in South Central. It’s also EXTREMELY expensive…</p>
<p>“What exactly do you mean?” -Fiyero</p>
<p>I’ve never seen BYU ranked high in US News for undergrad business schools, so I’m just saying BYU, for all I know, is a Mormon school, and I don’t really know how good it is or really where it should rank.</p>
<p>“BusinessWeek is in the business to sell magazines. That’s it.” -rjkofnovi</p>
<p>US News as well. It simply has a different marketing strategy. US News tries to dominate the rankings by trying to seem like a dependable source by heavily favoring Ivys and name schools.</p>
<p>to the kid that said Notre Dame was prestigious… LOL</p>
<p>this dumbass girl in my class got in EA. she’s really damn stupid too.</p>
<p>Wharton sends more kids to the top firms like Goldman Sachs, and Private equity firms like blackstone (that don’t recruit at any other business school) than even Harvard, Yale and Princeton. To suggest it is slipping is ■■■■■■■■. Wharton ALONE has produced more billionaires than Yale or Princeton yet alone all the rest of these undergraduate busines schools. Wharton alone has produced more billionaires than the top 5 UNIVERSITIES on your list combined. Kids choose Wharton over Yale, Princeton nad Harvard, fat chance of that happeneing with any of these other school. The academic standards at Wharton are higher than any other school. Wharton is a top 3 MBA program in the world, and is the best in finance in the world. The difference between Wharton and all the rest of these programs is HUGE. It is Wharton, then everyone else.</p>
<p>Well I do agree that Wharton should be number one.</p>
<p>@kafkareborn: I like to see some concrete stats for your claims. Your logic is unsound, especially with the “top 5 UNIVERSITIES on your list combined” part. How can Wharton create more billionaires when it is part of the top 5 list? Do you mean top 5 excluding Wharton?</p>
<p>While Wharton is a very good school, the gap between Wharton and other schools has been narrowing. Wharton’s ranking has been dropping, last year it was #3, this year is #4. The MBA ranking has been dropping as well, even in USNWR. This inevitable due to concrete measures, and not past performance. I know for Wharton MBA program, it had one of the worst placements among elite MBA programs last year.
The fact is, Wharton 10-20 years ago may be THE UG school for business, now it isn’t. It may have produced many wealthy alums in the past, but the past is not the present or the future.</p>
<p>Look at the rankings, Notre Dame is the best!</p>
<p>You, sir, are delusioinal. </p>
<p>Fact: US News has had Wharton as its No. 1 undergraduate business school for the past 20 years.
[Best</a> Undergraduate Business Programs - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-business]Best”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-business)</p>
<p>Fact: Wharton alone has produced more billionaires (20) than all of Yale University (at 19) and Princeton University (13), and almost as many as Princeton and MIT combined (22), the University of Pennsylvania has more than both combined at (27), and that is after considering the large number of Wharton alumni attached to the financial industry that lost significant amounts of money because of the down turn. Before that, Wharton’s ascendancy is even more pronounced. </p>
<p>[In</a> Pictures: The Billionaire Universities - Forbes.com](<a href=“In Pictures: The Billionaire Universities”>In Pictures: The Billionaire Universities)</p>
<p>Fact: the top private equity firms, like Silver Lake, recruit ONLY at Wharton. They do that because they consider Wharton grads. Blackstone PE only recruits at Wharton, Harvard Yale and Princeton.
<a href=“http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys/Wharton2008Report.pdf[/url]”>http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys/Wharton2008Report.pdf</a>
[Silver</a> Lake<a href=“ALL%20analysts%20are%20from%20Wharton”>/url</a> </p>
<p>Fact: in essentially every single bulge bracket firm, more kids from Wharton are hired than from any other school, including Harvard. All the other schools on your list pale in comparison in terms of job placement.
<a href=“http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys/Wharton2008Report.pdf[/url]”>http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys/Wharton2008Report.pdf](<a href=“http://www.silverlake.com/content.php?page=team]Silver”>http://www.silverlake.com/content.php?page=team)</a></p>
<p>Fact: Wharton has higher academic standars than the schools on your list. Wharton does not release its SAT to Businessweek (that pulled its number out of thin air) but Wharton’s SAT scores are on par with Harvard, Yale, and Princeton’s at around 1500. Wharton’s acceptance rate is around 8% and has a yield at 80%, higher than even Harvard’s and 20% higher than Princeton’s. Thus proving that it is unparralleld. People choose Wharton over Yale and Princeton all the time, no one would do that for ND or UVA. </p>
<p>Fact: Wharton is the best school for finance in the world and its MBA program is one of the best along with Harvard and Stanford (thus the HWS acronym for the top schools).
[Finance</a> - Best Business Schools - Graduate Schools - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/finance]Finance”>http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/finance)</p>
<p>Fact: Wharton has the largest alumni network in business, and arguably controls the most lucrative field, Hedge Funds. With, SAC Capital, AQR Capital, and numerous other top hedge funds all being began by Wharton alums. This is because of Wharton’s reputation in finance that has led it to control this industry, which is the future. </p>
<p>Fact: ND is a semi-target school at best for the top firms, as is UVA. No one in the financial industry would take these rankings seriously, they’d laugh at you if you mentioned this list. Wharton beats Harvard in sending kids into the industry, UVA and ND are not just below it, they do not come close. </p>
<p>Businessweek’s rankings are a joke. Next year Brigham Young will be at the top, it is all just to sell magazines.</p>
<p>Those so-called “facts” are ■■■■■■■■.</p>
<p>BusinessWeek says ND is #1, so it’s #1.</p>
<p>ND!</p>
<p>Who cares about rankings? Go to a school that can prepare you for the business world and actually teach you the skills you need to be a productive member of society. You can go to a top 50 school and still get a decent job.</p>
<p>Ali, who strives for a “decent” job? Also, ND is the best hands down.</p>
<p>Like all rankings, it has its flaws.That being said, this is an overall ranking, not a “who sends the most people into finance/BB firms/PE/Wall Street” list, so don’t pretend that’s what it is and then get irritated because it doesn’t have a particular school at a particular spot you think it should be at. </p>
<p>I know ND Business sends a huge number of kids to big 4 so it’s especially well-regarded for accounting, and I’m sure that helps their ranking. Of course giving it the top spot can be debated, but if you look at the factors they said gave it an edge, it’s understandable why it did so well this year.</p>
<p>@kafkareborn, I’m not saying that Wharton is a bad school. It is still an ultra elite for BBA and MBA alike, but Wharton has been slipping as far as prestige goes. Its UG ranking has been sliding in BW ranking; it MBA ranking has been sliding in both USNWR and BW. I agree that getting into PE is much easier from a more prestigious institution. But PE shops are generally small, and that’s just one avenue for BBA. Note, PE shops do not specifically target BBAs. It’s hard to tell from the article, whether the 20 billionaire are Wharton BBA or MBA.
You got in Wharton, congratulations, but that’s no reason to put down other schools. Wharton/UPenn isn’t for everyone.</p>
<p>P.S. UPenn only has 18 billionaires
[In</a> Pictures: Billionaire University - No. 3 University of Pennsylvania - Forbes.com](<a href=“http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/02/billionaire-study-harvard-stanford-business-billionaires-colleges-09-wealth_slide_4.html]In”>In Pictures: Billionaire University)</p>
<p>Money is by no means a measure of success or happiness.</p>
<p>Okay look, Wharton has not been slipping at all. Businessweek’s rankings are absolute tosh and are utterly irrelavent so I will not even adress that. As for US News, Wharton has held the no.1 slot since the inception of the ranking and continues to do so. Wharton continues to send more kids to all of the top finance houses like JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, and all the rest of them than ANY other school Harvard included. I doubt that is “slipping” at all. Wharton’s MBA program is rated in the top 3 by US NEWS and has always been in the top 3. </p>
<p>The only reason it went down from No.1 in essentially every ranking to now No. 1, 2 or 3 in most, is because Wharton is known as the best finance school on earth and therefore since the financial industry melted last year (incase you did not notice) the field Wharton sends most of its kids to faltered, it also happens to be the most lucrative field. That’s why the guy who lost the most money last year, Anil Ambani (he lost $30 billion) is a Wharton alumni, and as you note, many Wharton billionaires had their fortunes reduced in size.</p>
<p>But that is temporary, It othe economy and the financial sector rebounds, Wharton will reclaim its number one possition in the MBA rankings that it has held firmly for the past 30 year during the go go years of the 90s and early 2000s. It is the oldest colligiate busienss school on earth, the greatest investor of all time, Warren Buffett, attended the school, its prestige is not going anywhere. Wharton’s undergraduate division is unchallanged by anyone, Harvard included, in job placement. The most elitie firms recruit either solely at Wharton or at Wharton and Harvard, or at Wharton and HYP. Anyone in the industry would laugh at you if you suggested Wharton is sliding, it obviously isn’t. This is so lame that I am no longer going to reply. It is obvious that Wharton is in a class of itself among business school, recruiters know that, everyone who knows anything about this industry knows that, if you don’t too bad for you, save up a few coins and go buy a clue.</p>
<p>If you ask anyone in the industry what is the single most respected undergraduate business school they will undoutebly say Wharton. If you ask anyone, what is the best finance school in the world they will undoutebly say Wharton. Wharton is the oldest business school (linked to a university) in the world. It has the largest most cited business faculty in the world, it has the largest business alumni network in the world, it had dominated the business world for the past 30 years, it is not going anywhere. Wharton provides better oppertunities in every single career you can think of compared to these other business schools. No accounting firm is going to take a Mendoza kid over a Wharton kid if they have equal grades at their respective institutions. Its just that the Wharton kdis have better options, from Goldman sachs to PE to hedge funds so why would they settle and make half of what they could make elsewhere> the kids at all these other B-schools have no such options (Sloan excluded. You cannot seriously be arguing that Wharton is slipping because it is sending too many kids to Blackston, silverlake and goldman sachs as opposed to accounting firms that pay half what thoese other firms pay. That is insane. But i’ve had enough, you are obviously stuck in your own little world, you may stay there if you please.</p>