<p>Argh, we need to keep UVA one of the real good schools of the south to fight back against those dang upstarts pretending to be southern schools. Admitting in those yankee Marylanders won't help it</p>
<p>The undergraduate programs need to quit growing. We need more OOS students. Any growth should be in the graduate departments.</p>
<p>"We need more OOS students."</p>
<p>We need more guys from Missouri. ; )</p>
<p>Well, I'm hoping that UVa will be able to keep its growth in check. Unlike in the past when the state told UVa how much to grow, now UVa along w/ W&M and VA Tech are more autonomous and thus can have more control over its affairs from tuition prices to class sizes. I know there are plans to have UVa grow from 13,000 undergrads to 15,000 undergrads by 2010, but I don't think there are immediate plans for the University to grow beyond that. I've also heard that most of the growth will be coming from the Visual and Performing Arts (w/ the construction of the new Arts Grounds) and the Sciences/Engineering.</p>
<p>I still have a problem with the phrase "study with the best scholars".</p>
<p>Why? (10 characters)</p>
<p>Because it's vague and inaccurate.</p>
<p>Haha Cavalier302, I think you're being too nitpicky. It's a tag line that's supposed to grab your attention. They're not meant to be overly descriptive. </p>
<p>Are you saying we should say instead, "Study with (Almost) the Best Scholars especially when it comes to Undergrad Business, because you know we're #2 after Wharton according to Business Week. Wahoowa!"?</p>
<p>The website is great. I just have a problem with the vague and inaccurate slogan.</p>
<p>And no, I would prefer to have any mention of the business school kept off such a prominent location on the admissions website. That's not what UVA should be pushing.</p>
<p>Yeah, the slogan is borderline false and means nothing at all.</p>
<p>Hmmm...well, the phrase is in reference to you guys the current students (and the professors). Personally, I think you guys are among the best scholars in the country. Do you think I'm wrong? Don't downplay yourselves.</p>
<p>While UVA does have a number of excellent students, its undergraduate and graduate students are not what I would consider to be the "best" in the country. That distinction would go to schools like Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, Chicago, Berkeley, Stanford and Cal tech. UVA provides among the best undergraduate experiences of any school in the country, but it certainly does not have the academic gravitas to refer to its students as the "best".</p>
<p>cavalier,</p>
<p>well actually theres only 1 "the best." So it couldn't be harvard, yale, princeton, mit, etc. Now if you want to say the better, then absolutely you could include uva in there ;-).</p>
<p>on a side note, you need to stop using the word gravitas. its really ****ing me off.</p>
<p>Oh Cavalier302, part of being the best is believing you're the best. If you don't believe in yourself, then how will anyone else believe in you? I certainly believe in UVa and its students, and personally, I dont let others determine my worth or the worth of my alma mater.</p>
<p>Time and time again, UVa consistently proves itself against other great schools from winning Rhodes, Mitchell and Truman scholarships to defeating 2 time champion UCLA along with Harvard at the National Mock Trial Championships to (as I mentioned in another post) also winning the DoC Design Challenge over schools like Harvard.</p>
<p>Yes, some of the 'best scholars' do exist at UVA. However, the vast majority of UVA does not consist of these students, which is why I say it's borderline false because it implies that you will always 'study with the best scholars', which is not the case at all.</p>
<p>^ and thats the case at practically every school in the country. </p>
<p>Trust me, I know kids who went to Harvard and Princeton from my high school. They play football. They definately were not the brightest...or even bright...kids I've ever met. By that logic, you wouldn't be "studying with the best scholars" either at Harvard or Princeton.</p>
<p>So, if you take "to study with the best scholars" literally, fine, pick 1 school and say its the best. If you want to include schools that are in the top 1% of all the schools in the country, then you can include UVa in that.</p>
<p>Well, there's a difference between 'the vast majority does not consist of these students' and 'the vast majority do consist of these students', the latter being a significantly more legitimate university to claim that you will 'study with the best scholars', and among the best claims you will find anywhere.</p>
<p>Additionally, if you go department by department, schools like Harvard, Berkeley and MIT are significantly better than UVA. They truly do have the "best" scholars in the country in residence.</p>
<p>I don't know about you guys, but back when I was at UVa, many of my friends turned down other great schools including Ivies to come to UVa. I also hung out with a bunch of transfer students, and my buddies had transferred to UVa from Johns Hopkins, Cornell, William & Mary, and Michigan (Honors Program). </p>
<p>Plus, my classmates went on to get theirs Masters, Ph.D's, etc. at the top law/medical/MBA/grad programs in the country. (Think Harvard MBA, Yale Law, Johns Hopkins Medicine, Stanford Engineering, etc.)</p>
<p>Re. professors, UVa has Larry Sabato, who many say is the top academic when it comes to American politics and elections. You have the Pulitzer Prize winning Rita Dove who is a two-time Poet Laureate of the United States. You have Julian Bond, who is considered one of the best Civil Rights experts in the country. Plus, he's the Chairman of the NAACP. You have Terry Belanger, who runs the Rare Book School and was awarded a MacArthur "genius" Award last year. Furthermore, you're lucky to have Dean Ayers as your dean. Several years ago, Dean Ayers, who despite having to spend much of his time running the College of Arts of Sciences, was named the Professor of the Year by the Mellon Foundation out of all the professors in the entire country because of his deep commitment to excellent teaching. Furthermore, he was awarded the Bancroft Prize a year later, which is one of the highest awards one can get in the field of History. </p>
<p>Don't underplay the education you're getting at UVa. Most college kids in the country aren't as lucky as you are when it comes to having access to these great teachers and smart classmates.</p>
<p>Globalist, I'll be the first to say that UVA provides an unparalleled undergraduate experience, but I'm also very aware that there are several schools that have significantly more academic prowess than we do. I don't know how you can dispute that point.</p>