When are these [supposedly] smart student athletes, who are lucky enough to play for Harvard, going to learn what is and is NOT appropriate behavior.
the whole lot of them should be taken out to the wood shed for a good whooping!
sheesh…
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Wow, good work Harvard! They handled this well
That IS a woodshed whooping – in public, no less. I’m sure they’d much rather take a physical beating and still have their season.
well, maybe future Harvard ATHLETES will learn that they DONT walk on H2O!
I don’t think being Harvard athletes, in particular, had anything to do with this disgusting behavior. I’d bet you could find this type of behavior at many schools…unfortunately…even public figures are caught making these types of comments. Deplorable behavior apparently crosses all societal lines 
Sounds like Harvard handled it well.
I hope that they really did investigate THIS team. The article focused on the 2012 team, and very few of those students would still be there.
I think Harvard has made a few quick decisions recently that penalize some students who may not deserve to be penalized, and the penalty doesn’t solve the problems they are directed at. The president is making women choose between sorority membership or receiving university support for graduate recommendations or fellowships, yet the finals clubs allow women to be less than full members and continue. Hasty Pudding, one of the best known Harvard Clubs, only allows women in supporting roles (nothing on stage). Other schools seem to be able to have single sex clubs and sports teams without this much trouble. Princeton seems to have integrated its eating clubs.
Good.
Good to see. Well done, H.
“The president is making women choose between sorority membership or receiving university support for graduate recommendations or fellowships, yet the finals clubs allow women to be less than full members and continue. Hasty Pudding, one of the best known Harvard Clubs, only allows women in supporting roles (nothing on stage)”
Well hopefully those days at Harvard are quickly coming to an end, and it wont be too soon.
Harvard - one way or the other- is going to have to learn to exist in the 21st century.
It takes a long time to turn an big old ship…
For me Harvard Crimson’s joint op-ed from the 6 women who were on the original list is the real headline. Beautifully expressed:
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2016/10/29/oped-soccer-report/
Harvard said the practice of making lewd “scouting reports” on women soccer recruits continued up to this year, although apparently the 2012 report was the only one that became public. That’s why this year’s team deserved sanctions.
Harvard also said the soccer players lied when asked about the “scouting reports.”
The story is remarkably confusing. The events took place in 2012, but some people are still involved in some way. Is the entire team? Exactly what have they done, and did the entire team do it? It sounds to me like the school went overboard, but I can’t know that for sure without knowing all the facts.
Today’s updated article in The Harvard Crimson :
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2016/11/4/soccer-suspended-scouting-report-harvard/
But I don’t think the way Harvard (or maybe it is just the president) are going about it IS turning the ship. My national sorority has a chapter at Harvard so I often read articles about what they are doing, awards they are winning, and they are wonderful, accomplished women. One is the captain of the ski team, which she wouldn’t be able to do once the ban is implemented (after this current class). A member from MIT was a Rhodes Scholar two years ago, and if she were at Harvard and not MIT, she wouldn’t have been able to have that award. How does that make sense, that joining a non-university club prevents you from being captain of the soccer team?
I don’t think Harvard is going about it in the right way. Other schools seem to have handled the way women were integrated. Harvard’s had 50 years to integrate the clubs, they didn’t do it, the women formed their own, and now the school is taking those away before making sure the other clubs will welcome them.
I hate to say it [ not really given these last 6 months] but as long as men, no matter how smart they might think they are, think that women can be rated based entirely on their physical appearance, it will take more than a “whooping in the shed house” of some of them to change minds…
"I don’t think Harvard is going about it in the right way. Other schools seem to have handled the way women were integrated. Harvard’s had 50 years to integrate the clubs, they didn’t do it, the women formed their own, and now the school is taking those away before making sure the other clubs will welcome them.
um… what has this got to do with a male varsity sports team at Harvard being told their season is OVER because of the discovery of an overt, pervasive, sexual “ranking system” of female Harvard athletes bodies???
this is NOT about finals clubs or eating clubs, for gods sake!
Yeah, this derail is as tedious as it is predictable.
As the women’s team said, they felt they were part of the soccer family and now find out (well, they actually found out 4 years ago) that the male team(s) don’t think they are all one group. Usually teams do support each other, going to the games, sharing tips, training, facilities, parties.
Is this just happening on the soccer team or are other teams and clubs judging the new women this way all over campus?
I wonder if it reflects their true feelings or if they wrote it the way they did because people look down on women who (rightfully) get angry about this stuff. The op-ed is incredibly diplomatic and the comment section is still mostly boys will be boys, this doesn’t matter because there was this one time in 1970 when a woman objectified a man, I’m offended that you find this offensive, etc.
Is there really enough of the season left, that this constitutes a big punishment? Although it is a step in the right direction. I recall that when a certain tape came out a few weeks ago, so many pundits, politicians, athletes, commentators, regular folks came out and said, we never hear this kind of talk in ‘locker rooms’, very few men would ever talk like this, etc. I think it happens a lot more than anyone wants to admit