<p>There will always be the "why did they/didn't they include...<<<insert school="" of="" choice="" here="">>>>", but they do, in all fairness, mention at the outset of the article several of what they call the "powerhouse" non-ivies and several of the well known LACS that are already ... well... well known. It looks to me that they are trying to list, as others have said, several of the "lesser known" schools ( and I am talking in generalities here). I find their list interesting. Of course, the cynic in me wonders if there is any correlation between their "list" and the schools that choose to advertise in their publications....</insert></p>
<p>I wonder why UChicago is not on the list. It has one of (if not the) the top economic programs in the country, has a unique core, attracts some of the top students and creates the top number of Rhodes scholars/Nobel laureates. Hell, it even manages one of the largest supercolliders in the world.</p>
<p>jiveturkey-
Read the following from the first paragraph of the article: </p>
<p>"A generation ago, elite schools were a clearly defined group: the eight schools in the Ivy League, along with such academic powerhouses as Stanford, the University of Chicago, MIT and Caltech. Smaller liberal-arts colleges—like Williams, Amherst, Middlebury, Swarthmore and Wesleyan—were the destinations of choice for top students who preferred a more intimate campus...."</p>
<p>Also-- anyone happen to have lst year's edition of the Newsweek/Kaplan publication. What were the "hot" schools listed last year? Any overlap, or is Newsweek/Kaplan just finding new and different ways to feature different schools?</p>
<p>Maybe Chicago isn't on that list because they made sure using secret techniques that they weren't on some stupied MSN list that would blow their amazing self-selecting app pool. I'm happy they are not on there, our secret remains safe.</p>
<p>I think our posts overlapped. Sorry white rabbit. I think the "secret" is out.</p>
<p>Actually they didn't include all the 5cs-- just Pomona and Harvey Mudd. I think it's kind of odd that they went out of their way to exclude the 3 other colleges which are just as reputable as some of the other schools on the list. </p>
<p>If they wanted to just include Pomona and Harvey Mudd they could have listed them as separate schools instead of "The Claremont Colleges" as if the other schools in the consortium don't exist.</p>
<p>But really none of the schools on the list deserve to be there as none of them are "new Ivies." Just as Harvard is not a "new Pac-10" school and Yale is not a "new Big East" school. I think it's weird to say that school X has a good academic reputation so it should be placed in a certain athletic conference. </p>
<p>I don't think anyone would argue that there aren't schools with good reputations outside of the Ivy League.</p>
<p>what a goofy list. skidmore? kenyon? macalester? where's georgetown, wake forest, northwestern, W&L, davidson, etc.?</p>
<p>I was really glad to see Tufts on the list!</p>
<p>Im surprised they put all the top publics, UCLA, Mich, UNC, Virginia, but no Cal.</p>
<p>"I expected that MIT, Stanford, Cal, Caltech, Amherst, Williams and Swarthmore are considered part of the Ivy League, so I did not look for them"</p>
<p>WRONG. The Ivy League is actually a sports league, like the Pac-10, Big-10, Big-12, SEC, etc. As it is one of the oldest leagues, it has ended up with many of the best schools in it, but Stanford and Cal will never be Ivy League, no matter how good they get. They are both Pac-10 schools, and that's where they will stay. The complete list of the Ivy League is:
Brown
Columbia
Cornell
Dartmouth
Harvard
Penn
Princeton
Yale</p>
<p>Notice that even MIT is not actually an Ivy League school. This is why Ivy-centrism is so stupid! There are GREAT schools that are not included because they do not have sports teams, have BETTER sports teams (Div. 1-A, as Ivy League is a Div.1-AA league) or are on the west coast. That doesn't make them any lesser. It would be helpful if people stopped caring what sports division a school was in, and leave the 'Ivy League' discussion to ESPN.</p>
<p>Why is UCLA on the list but not UC Berkeley?</p>
<p>larationalist:
I'm pretty sure Alexandre knows all of what you just posted..... but I'm glad you like to feel like you know more than everyone else. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>some of these schools definitely seem a little random....</p>
<p>larationalist: you do realize where you're posting this right¿¿¿.....if not lemme tell ya...its CC....everyone here ALREADY knows what an Ivy League school is...its purty hard to be here and not know that</p>
<p>Newsweek sold many magazines back in April. </p>
<p>The Cover story was:</p>
<p>" SEX, LIES, & ___________"</p>
<p>You can fill in the blank. Since then, Newsweek has admitted that the "story" may not be exactly as reported! May still be a little egg on their face? I mean, how could a school be an elite institution (either hidden or not) with such rumblings of alleged debauchery......it just can't. :)</p>
<p>My interpretation is that Duke and Berkeley were already "Ivies" in their minds -- easily equivalent to Chicago, Stanford, and Willams/Amherst/Swarthmore. Maybe Northwestern, too, although I see it as more equivalent to a lot of the colleges on the list (NYU, WUSTL). And Carleton -- if you're going to put Pomona, Bowdoin, Colby and Davidson on there, it's hard to understand not including Carleton.</p>
<p>That said, it's really not a bad list. I don't know that all of the schools are of the same quality, but it highlights a bunch of good things happening at some schools that are maybe closer in quality to the top schools than the conventional wisdom recognizes.</p>
<p>Johns Hopkins???</p>
<p>Northwestern has yet to find its place in college rankings. It's certainy above most, if not all, of the schools on the top 25 list, but it's below schools like Stanford and Duke. I don't know what it's going to take for NU to be nationally recognize. Someone earlier argued that perhaps the writers thought that NU was already known enough to not be included, but I disagree. I can't tell you how many blank stares I get from people when I tell them I'm going to Northwestern. And I live in Ohio! OSU plays them in football every year! And football is our life here! If I said Stanford, though, I'm sure 99.9% of people would know what I'm talking about. I'm not exactly a prestige whore, but when I'm in a group and someone mentions they're going somewhere like Boston University, recieveing all these "Ohhhs" and "Ahhhs," and I mention I'm going to Northwestern only to get a "Is that in Washington?" response, well, it gets frustrating.</p>
<p>/rant</p>
<p>And the term "New Ivies" is inane. It's pretty obvious that college admissions are becoming more competitive virutally everywhere, and CC is a testament to that.</p>
<p>Spread far the fame of our fair name! Go Northwestern win that game!</p>
<p>hehe juliusmonky i thought you should kno that theres a joke at Northeastern University that if anyone mistakes you for goin to Northwestern you should'nt correct em hehe =P</p>
<p>thought that might cheer ya up heh</p>