<p>I think its a rip-off no matter what your major. Engineering and Business majors pay more than LSA majors by 2K</p>
<p>ndesai256</p>
<p>well that half mill is kinda like an investment for them. I'm sure you'll be more than willing to help them out when they retire and you're making the big bucks.</p>
<p>blackpen2008,
you are right.</p>
<p>rjkofnovi,
sorry for dissing your state. i was just bitter cuz i'm paying three times as much as you. i might stay in michigan. i don't know yet. who knows where life takes me. i was thinking of cali or miami but, if i want to practice in the US, and still be near my family I may choose to stay in the Detroit suburbs.</p>
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But dude, undergrad at U of M plus a graduate degree (like an MD) at another elite school may run up to half a mil.
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Only if you are going to law or medical school, otherwise you should be able to pay your own way for your graduate degree.</p>
<p>Hey, you also have the advantage that your Canadian dollars now make Michigan much more affordable than when you were dreaming of Michigan as a kid. </p>
<p>My mom worked in Windsor for quite a few years. I can just imagine that working over there now as a US citizen would be a sizeable pay boost. I'm guessing that few people commute across the border these days though. Longer lines at the border probably reason number one, and not nearly as beneficial for Canadians these days with the exchange rates.</p>
<p>How is financial aid affected in the tuition hike: University</a> of Michigan Office of Financial Aid: Fall/Winter 2008-2009 Financial Aid Award Notification</p>
<p>"I think its a rip-off no matter what your major. Engineering and Business majors pay more than LSA majors by 2K"</p>
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<li><p>If you think Michigan's a ripoff, what do you think of the other schools like Carnegie Mellon that charge 40k a year? When i was in school, i knew a few students who were upset about paying more than other kids, it's not so much that you think it's a ripoff, it's more because some people pay less, you forget that the state of Michigan is paying $326 million to the Ann Arbor campus for this reduction in tuition for instate students, which comes from Michigan taxpayers. </p></li>
<li><p>Michigan Engineering and Business average starting salaries are over 55K per year, with bonus, it's usually over 60k per year, i don't think that education is a poor investment.</p></li>
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<p>I don't buy into your argument keefer. Just because schools like CMU charge 40k a year doesn't make it ok for Michigan to charge as much. </p>
<p>Yes I am bitter. I don't like the fact that in state kids have an easier time getting in and pay a third of the tuition OOS students pay for the same education. That's life I suppose. I'm not saying the investment is bad. I just don't think its justifiable to spend 40K on a school unless you go to an ivy. I know I sound like a hypocrite, but I think I've learned my lesson.</p>
<p>any thoughts on how this would affect our current aid? would they increase the amount of aid given to us?</p>
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I just don't think its justifiable to spend 40K on a school unless you go to an ivy.
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CMU is not an Ivy so I presume you'd consider that a ripoff too...lol. </p>
<p>For me, I wouldn't pay 40K for any school (except may be for HYPM) if I can pay in-state for a public like Michigan.</p>
<p>I do agree with you that if you have a good public in your state, there is no reason to pay OOS tuition to go to Michigan.</p>
<p>I'm going to list some of the middle tier LAC tuitions for ya:</p>
<p>Colgate: $39,275
Hamilton: $38,220
Oberlin: $38,012
Colby: Comprehensive fee=$ 46,000 (for 2007-2008: includes tuition, room and board)
Bates: Comprehensive fee=$49,350 (includes tuition, room and board)
Colorado College: $35,844</p>
<p>Now some private peers of Michigan by USNEWS ranking (which i think we all agree is a bad showing for UM):</p>
<p>CMU: $39,150
Vanderbilt: $36,100 (but room and board costs $12,000 and you must live on campus, makes total cost of attendance $52000-55000)
Georgetown: $37,536 (Total Cost: $53,600)
USC: $ 37,096 (Total Cost: ~$52,000)</p>
<p>By comparison Michigan's total tuition cost for OOS is $31,301, with total cost of attendance being $42,921. (Where as, instate total cost of attendance is $22,067)</p>
<p>But remember Michigan's financial aid for OOS sucks.</p>
<p>i'm in-state and can't imagine how much it hurts for all the out of state students. but one thing is for sure good things cost money and the University of Michigan is one of the best universities in the united states so you could say you get your moneys worth. and for all in state students our parents did pay the taxes... and deal with the weather. ;D</p>
<p>rjkofnovi- i respect your defense for your state, i certainly would do the same for mine. I just belive that if Michigan claims to be a beacon of diversity (including OOS) then it should take some measures to attrack this diversity, and that is not accomplished by incresing incontrolably the OOS tuition, that's the only part that i agree with ndesai256. I respect Michigan and certainly you cannot presume that those who study at UMich will not stay at Michigan because it is you the one who is subestimating Michigan.</p>
<p>Now the positive thing here is that fin aid office has noticed this increased and they will take measures. Most problably they will increse the fin aid for those students who this may present a burden!</p>
<p>george12. I think it is a pretty safe assumption to conclude that most OOS students who attend Michigan do not become instate residents after graduation. No one is forcing anyone to attend school here. The rise in tuition that occurs virtually every year at major universities in this state has been going on for decades. To be outraged and surprised is the height of naivete.</p>
<p>Perhaps I've less sophistication in my words than you rjk but at least I have a stronger point. (my native language is not english)</p>
<p>Whatever guys,
We are stuck paying OOS tuition no matter how much we *****.</p>
<p>There are a few things U of M should change however, which currently make its cry for diversity ring hollow:</p>
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<li><p>Financial Aid for Internationals (Int'l students get ZERO aid, notta zip. This needs to change. Int'l students should at least be able to receive some sort of loan to help ease the financial burden.)</p></li>
<li><p>Change current medical school admissions policies barring any international students from even applying. ( I think its totally unfair for an int'l, such as myself, to pay 200K and not even have a chance at getting into med school at U of M)</p></li>
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Change current medical school admissions policies barring any international students from even applying.
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I believe most if not all of the state university medical schools have the same policy.</p>
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Financial Aid for Internationals...Int'l students should at least be able to receive some sort of loan
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Int'l students are not entitled to federal or state(?) money; this significantly reduces the source of loan money. I do agree with you that int'ls should be allowed to compete for merit-based scholarships unless it's restricted.</p>
<p>Personally, I feel that the school shouldn't be supporting international students with financial aid. It is more than fine for international students to come to Michigan, but get your own government to pay for it. It is somewhat unlikely that an international student will stay in the US, even more unlikely that the student will stay in Michigan. Your country will get the benefit, they should pay for it.</p>
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It is somewhat unlikely that an international student will stay in the US, even more unlikely that the student will stay in Michigan. Your country will get the benefit, they should pay for it.
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Many international students would like to stay in the US after they graduate, as for many, the job opportunity, salary and benefits are better here. They wouldn't mind staying in Michigan if that's what it takes to stay. However, current immigration policy makes it rather difficult for most to change status from student to permanent resident. There is even a lottery system to get a practical training visa; so even if you get a job offer, there is no guarantee.</p>