Notre Dame or University of Michigan?

<p>Still waiting on a decision from ND, but I was accepted to Michigan's engineering school after applying somewhat on a whim. I've grown up with ND (both parents attended, grandparents, etc), love everything about the school, and it has been my first choice by far for about as long as I can remember. However, Michigan appears to yield a more prestigious degree in the field of engineering, while ND's engineering department (from the outside looking in) seems above average at best. </p>

<p>Opinions? I'm kind of doubting my chances at ND (SAT critical reading's a killer), but it would be nice to have a little more info/ insight should I be faced with such a decision.</p>

<p>Depends on who you are, they’re two different environments from what I understand. Notre Dame’s pretty much the essence of South Bend while U Mich has the city of Ann Arbor, which I hear isn’t too bad of a city. Both are pretty nice places though, just different. For engineering, it is my understanding that Michigan is better but Notre Dame has one of the highest alumni networks in the country…meaning if you’re looking for employment, then Notre Dame is probably better (check me up on this aspect :p). Also, feels like Notre Dame is more passionate about their sports, as opposed to Michigan. If that matters to you then definitely let it be a deciding factor. There’s a lot to this I could say but it rests with you.</p>

<p>Ask on the Michigan subforum too: [University</a> of Michigan - Ann Arbor - College Confidential](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-michigan-ann-arbor/]University”>University of Michigan - College Confidential Forums)</p>

<p>I can already tell you the decision EVERYONE outside of the ND community will tell you, to go to Michigan. They have one of the best engineering departments in the country. </p>

<p>But as a ND lover, I could never choose against my Irish. The new engineering building is world class, as Black’s Law said, we have one of the best alumini associations in the world. If you really like ND more, then go. The school is better overall and higher ranked on US News.</p>

<p>Besides, if you grew up a ND fan, how could you POSSIBLY go to Michigan! It’s scUM! Muck Fichigan!</p>

<p>OK. Since I am just a parent, you will have to take this opinion as biased. I went to the University of Michigan as a grad student and my D, who is applying to ND this year, was born there while I was a student. I spent 8 years in Ann Arbor and can speak to my experience there. </p>

<p>Ann Arbor (A squared, as it’s known in town; I just can’t write that in this post) is a small city but in terms of things to do, IMHO, there is a lot more to do there than in South Bend. For its size, there is tremendous support of the arts in AA, so as a student, you can have the opportunity to see some very large acts come into town–whether your taste runs to popular or classical music. In addition, Ann Arbor is home to the Ark, a smaller music venue that brings in many enormously talented groups on their way up in the musical world. You might see an act there that you’ve never heard of, then in a few years, those same acts are known around the world. When a musician or group hits it big, they often return to the Ark in gratitude to the people who promoted them early in their careers. I’ve heard some amazing music in the Ark’s intimate setting. </p>

<p>If you can’t find enough to do in town, and you have a car, Chicago and Pittsburgh are both about 5 hours away; many people also visit Canada and the northern part of the state, which is gorgeous. It’s certainly cold there, but I would not describe the winters as bleak. Coming from Pittsburgh, Ann Arbor has an unreasonable amount of sunshine: not fair!</p>

<p>Ann Arbor has a small and charming downtown that is easily within walking distance from the campus area. As for students, you can expect a much larger and more diverse student body. At least at the graduate level, I met lots of people from around the world and that in itself was a great education. There’s a lot to learn from diversity and many challenges to face in such a LARGE school. I occasionally tried to take undergrad courses related to my dissertation and was often shut out. U of M’s administration knows its size can be daunting and so they have created special programs like the Residential College for students who want a smaller educational experience. </p>

<p>For engineering students, though, the size of the school may not be a problem. The engineering program has taken over the old Park Davis Pharmaceutical site north of campus and that is a beautiful area. Michigan’s engineering programs are very highly rated and Michigan has put enormous resources into that program. It’s almost as if the Engineering students have their own little campus and all the benefits of a great school and a wonderful small town. </p>

<p>I don’t know ND as well, so I cannot compare the schools. For those who are considering ND for its Catholic environment, you certainly won’t find that at U of M, but you can grow your faith anywhere if you put the care and time into that. I loved my time at U of M. It was a very heady, intellectual place. with Ann Arbor creating a fun, stimulating, manageable bubble to live in while you studied. And of course, there is football and the big house. Trying to cross Ann Arbor on a football Saturday, for any other reason than going to the game, is the definition of insanity. In the end, both schools are great, but they are very different. If I were an engineering student, it would be a hard choice, but for my d. it was easy. She liked Mich, but she is looking for the challenge, community and the Catholic environment she found at ND. GOOD LUCK. May God bless you with wisdom.</p>

<p>thanks so much for all the responses! any more input?</p>

<p>Ann Arbor (A squared, as it’s known in town; I just can’t write that in this post) is a small city but in terms of things to do, IMHO, there is a lot more to do there than in South Bend. For its size, there is tremendous support of the arts in AA, so as a student, you can have the opportunity to see some very large acts come into town–whether your taste runs to popular or classical music. In addition, Ann Arbor is home to the Ark, a smaller music venue that brings in many enormously talented groups on their way up in the musical world. You might see an act there that you’ve never heard of, then in a few years, those same acts are known around the world. When a musician or group hits it big, they often return to the Ark in gratitude to the people who promoted them early in their careers. I’ve heard some amazing music in the Ark’s intimate setting. </p>

<p>If you can’t find enough to do in town, and you have a car, Chicago and Pittsburgh are both about 5 hours away; many people also visit Canada and the northern part of the state, which is gorgeous. It’s certainly cold there, but I would not describe the winters as bleak. Coming from Pittsburgh, Ann Arbor has an unreasonable amount of sunshine: not fair!</p>

<p>Ann Arbor has a small and charming downtown that is easily within walking distance from the campus area. As for students, you can expect a much larger and more diverse student body. At least at the graduate level, I met lots of people from around the world and that in itself was a great education. There’s a lot to learn from diversity and many challenges to face in such a LARGE school. I occasionally tried to take undergrad courses related to my dissertation and was often shut out. U of M’s administration knows its size can be daunting and so they have created special programs like the Residential College for students who want a smaller educational experience. </p>

<p>For engineering students, though, the size of the school may not be a problem. The engineering program has taken over the old Park Davis Pharmaceutical site north of campus and that is a beautiful area. Michigan’s engineering programs are very highly rated and Michigan has put enormous resources into that program. It’s almost as if the Engineering students have their own little campus and all the benefits of a great school and a wonderful small town. </p>

<p>I don’t know ND as well, so I cannot compare the schools. For those who are considering ND for its Catholic environment, you certainly won’t find that at U of M, but you can grow your faith anywhere if you put the care and time into that. I loved my time at U of M. It was a very heady, intellectual place. with Ann Arbor creating a fun, stimulating, manageable bubble to live in while you studied. And of course, there is football and the big house. Trying to cross Ann Arbor on a football Saturday, for any other reason than going to the game, is the definition of insanity. In the end, both schools are great, but they are very different. If I were an engineering student, it would be a hard choice, but for my d. it was easy. She liked Mich, but she is looking for the challenge, community and the Catholic environment she found at ND. GOOD LUCK. May God bless you with wisdom. </p>

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<p>A few responses to this.</p>

<p>1) Never been to Ann Arbor. I’ve heard many good things (though some bad, also, to be fair). I will say it probably blows South Bend out of the water, but most places do.</p>

<p>2) I highly doubt the individual connection at Mich is as good as ND, and UM’s campus isn’t as nice as ND’s. Also, stuff like dorm life and the Catholic tradition. IDK how it affects the OP. But that’s something for him/her to definitely consider. As much as South Bend sucks, ND’s campus, the dorm life, the Catholic nature (if you are Catholic), etc makes up for it.</p>

<p>3) UM football has a great tradition, definitetly up there with the big schools such as ND, OSU, Texas, USC, Alabama, etc. That said, it’s not as big as at ND, and its student section is not as good as ND’s.</p>

<p>4) Chicago is only about 1.5 hours from ND. It’s about 3.5-4 from UM. Pretty big difference. Many ND students frequently take a weekend in Chicago, a few times a semester. That’s not really possible at Mich. To be honest, I don’t know what the huge fascination would be with going to Pittsburgh (no offense), but it’s probably not that much further if you’re at ND, anyway. Canada’s OK, I guess, but you’re still pretty far from anything other than Windsor at UM.</p>

<p>5) This may sound stupid, but if the OP’s whole family is ND legacies/supporters, and he/she grew up loving it, the OP may feel very, very uncomfortable cheering for Michigan in athletics (especially against ND). Again, this isn’t a huge deal, but something to consider.</p>

<p>6) I don’t know about the engineering schools, but judging from the responses, it sounds like UM’s is better. Of course, engineering’s a lot of work, and many students (even very, very hard-working ones) drop. If the OP doesn’t like engineering, while he/she will have good options at UM, chances are, ND’s will be better. I chose ND over another school that I was considering based solely on a major, in case I ended up not wanting to go into that field.</p>

<p>7) Isn’t really related to this post, but I’ll ask it anyway (to the OP). Where are you from? If you’re from Mich, then that’s a pretty cheap tuition (relative to ND). Out of state, there’s virtually no difference.</p>

I’m having the exact same problem except everywhere where you said Notre Dame, put Michigan, and everywhere there’s Michigan, put Notre Dame.

I have been accepted into both schools and I have to make a decision like, NOW. I am going to school to major in Psychology with Pre-Medicine intent. I am not sure which school would be best for me and I simply want to make the BEST decision.

U of M has been my dream school for as long as I could remember. I have so much U of M gear it’s ridiculous. I thought that this was, for sure, the school that I was going to. U of M has a great campus and Pre-Med program. I am pretty familiar with a lot of the campus and my family has a few alumni from Michigan as well. This was for sure my school to be until…I looked into the University of Notre Dame.

I went to ND for the first Spring Visit week. I initially went simply for the free trip out of town, but it became so much more. While I was there, I began to fall in love with it’s beauty, social life, community, people, class intimacy, and the omelets! When I came home, I immediately began looking into this school and its Pre-Med program.

Both schools are great! I simply don’t know who to choose…Oh and did I mention that my twin sister will be going to U of M for sure? I don’t mind being separated though, but I do want her safe. Please help me!

Very minor point, but the regular posters on the UM website are really annoying and dramatically overemphasize the positive factors regarding UM. The people here on the ND forum seem much more open minded, unbiased and reasonable. I’m not sure if these forums reflect their respective schools, but if they do ND seems like a no-brainer compared to UM.

The quality of engineering faculty and research output at Michigan is definitely considerably better than that of ND. And as others have mentioned Ann Arbor is a really awesome college town/small city. The South Bend/Mishawaka area leaves a lot to be desired. Obviously if you are a strongly religious/Catholic person, ND will incorporate that into your daily life as a student. While much is touted of ND’s alumni network, it’s been my experience that the “alumni boost” is most perceptible in business/finance and law – so not sure how it will bear on engineering opportunities.

Did not realize I was responding to something form 2011 – sorry about that. As for the more recent inquiry I think both Michigan and ND will prepare your for the challenges of medical school. I think I’d recommend Michigan for the Ann Arbor factory :slight_smile:

@JackTheBean Why the late decision?

What did you decide

This post is from 2011. Doubtful the OP is on CC anymore.