Notre Dame vs. PSU Schreyers Honor College

<p>Notre Dame vs. PSU Schreyers Honor College</p>

<p>Here is our dilemma. Our D has her choices narrowed down to Notre Dame and Penn State Schreyers Honor College. The following are some of the key issues:</p>

<p>Notre Dame ranking / reputation vs. Schreyer ranking / reputation ???
Notre Dame drive – 6 hrs. vs. Penn State – 2.5 hrs.
Notre Dame cost is approx. $4,000 more per year after FA is considered
She has not determined her major course of study
Size of enrollment
Schreyers seems to provide $$ for study abroad program
Having friends already attending PSU and none at ND (not huge, but a factor)
Penn State's college town atmosphere vs. South Bend down the road from ND</p>

<p>You are welcome to put forth you opinions and assistance.</p>

<p>They way you type, it sounds like you've already made your decision.</p>

<p>Actually, it is still very much in the air. D is very much enthralled with ND. We like it too. Obviously, we like the fact that Penn State is much closer, but travel time of 6 hrs. will just have to be dealt with if it ends up being ND. ND is ranked #18 in the USNews report and PSU is #50, but what influence does Schreyers Honors College have in the whole picture? Can't really find much except that they have a 100% acceptance to grad schools and they have high entrance requirements. ND's size is much better than PSU. The cost issue may not be complete until after May 1st decision date. We were pleasantly surprised with the amount of FA awarded from ND. We have one more trip to make to ND next week to help with the final decision (hopefully).</p>

<p>I'm sure Schreyer is great, but when people (the general public) hear you went to Penn State honors, they'll still think Penn State. With the honors program, you'll most likely get a liberal arts feel inside of a gigantic university. I'm not sure how the class sizes compare, but I'm sure the Schreyer one is lower than the overall Penn State one. Note that ND doesn't allow cars first semester, which might change your drive time factor. ND provides the whole college experience, and paying 4k/year more, in my opinion, is a screaming deal (unless your family is under extremely tight financial constraints). Advice I would give is to go into the ND visit with an open mind, and in the end, let your daughter choose where she will be happy. She will get a great education at either place, but the experiences each offer differ drastically.</p>

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<p>Thanks for the advice. I think that we basically agree with everything that you have said. There are obviously advantages and disadvantages for each. At Schreyers, she would be allowed to set her schedule before the general school population. The honors classes are usually 25 students per class. The honors students are in their own dorms so they have sort of a college within a college surrounded by their peers. The question is, what does having the honors program on her resume do for her? I will tell you this, the Penn State alumni in this area love their school. They really stick together, including business relationships. </p>

<p>But of course, Notre Dame is NOTRE DAME!! There probably wouldn't be any question if we lived closer and that probably shouldn't get in the way anyhow. We've found out that the Pittsburgh are ND students are able to take a chartered bus trip home about 3 times per semester.</p>

<p>It's going to be an interesting two weeks.</p>

<p>Bsonln, my son's decision came down to exactly your two: ND or PSU Schreyers. Interesting.</p>

<p>We had the luxury of being exactly 4.25 hours from both schools, but the difference between 2.5 and 6 hours wouldn't be a factor to me. It's a drive either way, and 6 hours is just an easy drive. You might be thinking of ND as two states away, but it's just not that far and there are many kids from Pittsburgh at ND.</p>

<p>We loved ND and we loved Penn State. Those were the only two schools he applied to. But I think your daughter might always regret not attending ND. She sounds like she'll do well no matter where she goes, but if she chooses PSU, all her life she'd have a little asterisk in her head, "** But I was also accepted to Notre Dame and I wonder if I made a mistake not going there.**" I don't think the opposite would be true. </p>

<p>My son was also going to live in the honors dorm at PSU and loved the prof he met from the Engineering school, but he has <em>never</em> questioned his decision to go to ND since the day he set foot on campus. Both schools are large enough that she will have a plethora of choices when it comes to a major. ND's alumni are <em>extremely</em> supportive of each other. I've heard if an ND resume crosses an ND alum's desk it almost guarantees an interview, because they know, generally, what kind of formation, not just education, that person had in college.</p>

<p>As far as study abroad, ND's program is one of the oldest and now most extensive in the country. My son is going to London next year, and our regular tuition payment covers tuition, room, board, air travel over and back, and a small stipend. This is a heck of a deal.</p>

<p>I wouldn't let friends enter the picture. At either school she is going to have new best friends within two days of getting there. This should be a moot point. ND is big enough you'll never meet everyone in your class in four years, so you're always meeting new people, but not so huge that you can get lost.</p>

<p>Notre Dame is one supportive place. The profs are really caring and helpful in a small school kind of way, and no matter how large the class. My son has learned this and goes to them whenever he feels the need, which at times is often. When the profs say they have open office hours they want you there!</p>

<p>We loved the two block area North of PSU's campus. We loved how Penn State is on one big huge square piece of land. We loved the people we met in State College, and the landscape of the surrounding area is beautiful. But I believe Notre Dame provides a much more intense collegiate experience. It's a great place to finish growing up.</p>

<p>But all in all, my hunch is that this decision will make itself after you make your trip to ND. It will either be obvious that this is the place for her, or she'll feel stronger about PSU after the ND visit. Either will be telling. </p>

<p>If you have any other questions you can pm me if you'd like, or ask them here if you think it'd be helpful to others.</p>

<p>Docmom,</p>

<p>Thanks for the advice. Its great to hear your perspective because it’s so similar to our situation. Yes, I think the biggest issue would be the potential of regretting not going to Notre Dame. The transportation issue isn’t huge, but it is a factor. Charter bus rides for the Pittsburgh area students make it easier. It really isn’t convenient to look at using the airlines. Even though the car ride is almost 6 hours, it is easy driving on straight & flat interstates. </p>

<p>I agree about the “friends” situation. My daughter is looking forward to meeting new people no matter where she ends up. And we appreciate the study abroad information, too. We weren’t aware of how much was covered by ND tuition. As I stated in an earlier post, we see pro’s and con’s to both schools. I understand the ND alumni situation and it’s probably true across the county. The PSU alumni connection is strong in this area, but what’s to say that she is even going to stay in the Pittsburgh area or PA after graduation.</p>

<p>I think our trip next week will help with the final decision. We need to be prepared with all of the remaining questions. It hasn't been mentioned, but she isn't a legacy at either school, so that isn't coming into play at all.</p>

<p>I was in the same situation before for a while before I was accepted to my reach school. I live just north of Pittsburgh. And to be honest, my decision wasn't that hard. Both are good academically and both have great legacy networks, but PSU's is mainly in this area whereas ND gives one connections all over. Also, in terms of grad school, being at the top of my class at PSU schreyer's would definitely get me into some top grad programs, but ND simply offered more opportunity. Graduating at the top of Notre Dame would let me have my pick. So if you're child is willing to work, either school would suit just fine, but in my opinion ND offers more room to excel. Also, the drive time is a trivial detail, and having friends at PSU may not be a good thing after all (that whole meeting new people than those attending a suburban high school) Lastly, from what I've heard the normal PSU population is more concerned with partying than anything else, and while partying is definitely an integral part of college, if done in excess it could comprise my academics.</p>

<p>Yea, while I believe Penn State Honors may have alot to offer, Notre Dame probably can offer more(no offenste to penn state). Notre Dame is on a different level than Penn State in academics, and if your daughter enjoys it she should definitely go there. I do not believe the driving distances are all that important, saying there will sometimes be months between times when she travels to and from schools. Also, havin no friends at ND is not a factor, as she will surely make new friends upon arriving.</p>