<p>Don't take time out of class . . . that was more of a wise-crack than anything.</p>
<p>I heard that we became the Fighting Irish back in the day when our football team was the Ramblers. We were losing a game and the captain said something to the effect of, "What's the matter guys? You're all Irish and you aren't fighting worth a lick!" We subsequently won.</p>
<p>That is another rumor, I think mine has more evidence behind it (that it was newspaper people who started it) but no one really knows.</p>
<p>You're a rumor.</p>
<p>hahahah what^</p>
<p>I always thought it was Irish's reason</p>
<p>Really? That would be cool! Irish68178...the man, the myth...or both. Perhaps I am just a figment of your imagination and don't really exist. I am just the hunchback of ND, living in the bell tower. Don't tell anyone!</p>
<p>OH Irish68178! I heard about him from one of my friends, only a rumor though. I heard he went crazy over the mediocre "the shirt" design and fled to the hills of west Virginia to never be heard from again.</p>
<p>Just thought I would throw that out there, and mention the fact that in this particular ranking ND and Yale are quite close.</p>
<p>Interesting rankings . . . though quite limited in its definition of "Community Service". I would suspect that Brigham Young would rank a lot higher if they counted the one-year as a Mormon missionary into the equation.</p>
<p>When applied to ND it leaves out the students who become Catholic missionaries of any kind. Of course that is true across the board but I suspect that students at schools that are religiously affiliated would have more students choosing that path than students at more secular schools.</p>
<p>Princeton is 43rd. Right.</p>
<p>They are no better than the rankings you were using PosterX. Welcome to having a taste of your own medicine. It is just like how we objected that Duke was ranked even with Arizona, and yet you fought that to the death. We at least are objective enough not to fight Princeton being 43rd, or at least I am.</p>
<p>All rankings list their methods. What I have always done is offer an analysis of these underlying figures. In the case of the figures I cited, they are highly valid. In the case of the WM rankings, the underlying figures are not only mostly unavailable for readers to look at or find for themselves, but also completely flawed in many different ways. In fact, they are so flawed that they have attracted the attention of several internationally-renowned academics working in the area of statistics - specifically, statistics that are utterly flawed and misused. Look them up in the Chronicle of Higher Education and you'll find several scholarly articles on the topic, such as one by Professor Rebecca Goldin, a well-known researcher at George Washington University.</p>
<p>posterx,</p>
<p>That is why I like rankings as a starting point. By looking at their methodology you can get behind what the numbers are saying and help formulate your own opinion about the validity of the ranking. Similar to the US News peer assessment these rankings will generate a number of questions about the validity or appropriateness of the methodology. At the end of the day, it is yet another data point in an effort to get a full picture of a university.</p>
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<p>If you truly think that a measure which puts Arizona and Duke neck and neck is valid, I will let you hang yourself with your own words. </p>
<p>Have you gone over to the Duke board and told them, by the way? They should all know that they can save a lot of money by going to AZ. I wonder if they know and what they were thinking to go to Duke. Crazy people.</p>
<p>As I've said before, Arizona is a world-class university and one of the top research institutions in the United States.</p>
<p>Yeah, Arizona totally owns Duke guys. I mean, sweet Jesus, who would pick Duke over Arizona? I am getting a transfer app right now. I bet Arizona is even ten times better than Yale. If PosterX's pathetic ranking is right, man, did I make the wrong decision by not making Arizona my first choice!</p>
<p>Easy there Putsch, we have to keep this on the DL. If everyone realizes how good Arizona is they may be as selective as Duke, and we wouldn't want that. No, it is a conspiracy that is keeping AZ down, but let's not let that out of the bag until we both can transfer. I submitted my app last night...I think Poster X beat me to it though.</p>
<p>posterX's very first post seems to imply he's not really Yale student or alum:</p>
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<p>The first few words suggest poserX is an OUTSIDER of the Yale community.</p>
<p>Edit: Ooops, I mean posterX not poserX. LOL!</p>
<p>Just for comparisons sake, Duke does $521 million worth of research every year. Arizona does $479 million -- more than Harvard, Yale, Caltech, Cornell, Chicago, UNC-Chapel Hill, or Columbia -- and is also considered to be one of the top research universities in the country. Notre Dame does $74 million.</p>
<p>National Academy of Sciences Members in 2005: </p>
<p>Duke 54</p>
<p>Arizona 30 (fine, not quite Yale's 104, Caltech's 104, or Cornell's 64, but still one of the best in the U.S.)</p>
<p>Notre Dame 2</p>