<p>Please discuss..</p>
<p>1.) Pre-med life
2.) Overall social life/scence
3.) Grade Inflation? Great Curves?
4.) Any major rules.. UND has curfew I hear..
5.) Fin Aid Package satisfaction..?
6.) Med School Acceptance rate..?
7.) The town environment</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>1) Premed is ridiculous at WashU (very cutthroat). Nwestern i have never heard of their premed life</p>
<p>2) social life is much more active at WashU</p>
<p>3) inflation and curves depend on the teacher</p>
<p>4) No curfew for WashU. me and a few friends hung around till 5AM outside. its very safe there. Don't know about Nwestern</p>
<p>5) major difference. WashU gives merit based scholarships. Northwestern doesn't. I didn't get a cent to go to Nwestern so thats y I chose WashU. U'll get more money if u go to washU</p>
<p>6) Med school acceptance rate has to be higher at nwestern. its cuz nwestern's med school can't compete against washU's. (top 3 in the country)</p>
<p>7) environment is much better at WashU. People are friendly there, willing to chat. Not just gonna say hello and leave you in your tracks like I found at Northwestern</p>
<p>when i mean med school rate i mean the Pre-med first time applying acceptance rate into any US Medical school</p>
<p>oh, well in that case, by far WashU. washU's premed track is bloody ridiculous. I had to take the BME track in order to even get into their thingy. :P very specific i am indeed</p>
<p>Hey,</p>
<p>You rated my chances earlier for Wash U in a previous thread below. But in your opinion, do you think I have a better chance at Wash U or NWestern based on my stats and ECs? I would not mind my hand at either one.</p>
<p>1.) WashU - Pre Med life depends on how smart you are and how much you care. Many people drop out by the end of first semester and many many drop out by the end of the first year. The highest scoring Pre Meds are very competitive in that they tend to study exorbitantly. However they still have fun. Believe me they still have fun. Weekends youll find premeds either studying sleeping eating or attending special activities. Hardcore premeds will already have jobs in labs or at hospitals etc by their first semester and even more by the second semester. Generally Pre Meds at WashU study hard play hard. Cliche but really WashU pre meds study ALOT because of the curve. When people drop out, the curve shifts meaning that if you are in the middle of the curve you will end up at the end of the curve when people drop out unless you work even harder to climb the ladder. So Yeah Pre Med is tough, but its balanced by the fun
Northwestern - What I have heard from my many pre med buddies at Northwest is that it is similar, but not as heavy duty as WashU.</p>
<p>2) At either school, its more the fun you make for yourself. WashU's social scene tends to be on campus. Events will be held by clubs and the Frats will have parties over on Frat Row. There are also clubs in St. Louis and other stuff to do, like D&B, museums, etc etc. Northwestern is in a smaller town than St. Louis and there is a social scene, but then again my buds over there are in Sororities and Frats. They also seem to be a more on campus kind of social life, but they dont have the St. Louis urban city if you desire one. BTW WashU has a concertcalled WILD each semester where a top band(s) come and perform. Its a relatively big thing on our campus.</p>
<p>4) WashU is more lenient. Lets just say alcohol is a bit free flowing. Its like a "if I dont see it, I dont know you have it" kinda thing. The campus police are extremely lenient and very nice. No curfew at all. I come back at an odd hours because of pre med work at hospitals etc etc. They have shuttles going to and fro as late as 2 usually no later. Northwester they tell me they also have no curfew. A bit more strict about alcohol but not much more. </p>
<p>5.) WashU gives craploads of money to the students. The minimum amount I hear for financial aid applicants is like 3,000. Most everyone I have talked to has some form of financial aid and if you bug them more theyll give you more (if they want to keep you that is)</p>
<p>6.) Im not sure about the stats, but WashU is ranked higher than Northwester in terms of Their medical Schools and I know that from working with a WashU med school admissions doctor that it is extremely tough due to the quality of students they require. </p>
<p>7.) St. Louis to me is far better than Evanston. I need some kind of urban city because I come from LA. St. Louis's people are awesome, very nice, polite. Of course it has its bad places near downtown, but WashU is located in the good area and when I say good I mean in the rich area ahah. Northwestern was to me a little to small town ish and bare. It wasn't busy enough. St. Louis has that busy atmosphere I like, but it also has the gigantic forest park (bigger than Central) and its quiet and calm there. Its a good balance. Of course Im biased to WUSTL because I come here so you might want to post in Northwestern's to get a comparison.</p>
<p>I personally think you should apply to both schools, but if you had to choose one I would tell you to choose WashU because your premed and WashU's pre med opportunities are very very good. I mean I get to work with the top doctors in our nation. Based upon your stats youll be fine as long as you have a good essay and interview (if given). Anyways Good Luck</p>
<p>u have a better chance at WashU. Nwestern is wannabee ivy. :P</p>
<p>alrite, u ppl are ridiculous, Northwestern is such a superior school, u guys realize that Wash U only 10 years ago had an acceptance rate of 88 percent RD. I mean come on, the ppl hiring you do not realize how selective it is. Any school that has an acceptance rate drop by 60 percentage points in 10 years has issues. Also, Wash U's SAT range 2 years ago was around 1320-1480. One year later, it is like 1350-1530. Again, come on, that is insane, you are telling me the average enrolled kid has a score that is like 40 pts higher than his counter part last year. Come on, this school is a joke in my book.</p>
<p>First, the thing about employers not knowing how selective Wash U is might be important to think about, but I've always heard that the people in the right places know about Wash U now and that it's gaining popularity. The CEO of the company I'm interning at knows about it, and just getting accepted there (I will be a freshman this fall) was one thing that impressed him enough to let me work there for the summer. Yes, that's only one example, but I think people in higher places know about Wash U now. </p>
<p>Second, the drastic increase in selectivity sounds unusual (though I don't know much about how a school's selectivity should change over the years) but I would bet that the number of people applying has ALSO increased drastically meaning that they have to select around the same amount of students from a larger pool. That means a decrease in acceptance rate. I would guess that it's a combination of more applicants and Wash U just wanting to be more selective rather than Wash U just deciding to decrease its student body by 60%. Has the average size of the student body changed a whole lot (I find it hard to imagine that they were able to fit that many more people on campus 10 years ago, especially since I'm almost sure they had fewer dorms back then)? If not, this might be the explanation. </p>
<p>Third, where the heck did you get those SAT score ranges? I could be wrong, but I thought Wash U didn't publish those. Even if they do, it just means the Wash U student body is improving (not that a 40 point change over two years really means much anyway). How does this all make Northwestern "such a superior school" and Wash U "a joke"?</p>
<p>The reality? I'm sure they're both great schools. And judging by rankings (since you love numbers so much), they're overall about the same.</p>
<p>well, ask any of the "educated" dudes on these boards, primarily my main man Slipperly Slipper and Alexandre, and they will tell you that this school lacks respect among corporate recruiters and grad schools. A school can't change from a complete safety school to a ivy league caliber school in 10 years, it is impossible. In the future, it might be up there in terms of respect and prestige, but for now, it isn't the case. I mean look at the # of kids at harvard law school from Wash U, 3 kids. For Northwestern, around 16-17 kids. Look at U of Chicago or Northwestern law (right in the area--no regional bias), Wash U has a dismal performance in that too. I mean, its grad placement is horrible compared to other top schools. I mean, anyone who chooses it over Northwestern i think should have their head examined.</p>
<p>I bet he was wait listed at Washu and still cannot cope with it :D
hf collegekid</p>
<p>cornell is alot better....right? LOL...collegekid is funny.</p>
<p>Very good Collegekid1988, but someone with such an eloquently stated comment should be careful in the future to read the queastion being asked. Med_TMuds was asking about pre med not law. Obviously WashU has improved albiet maybe not as much they say, but the fact is that they are rising in the ranks for a reason. If you believe WashU's stats are false in a way due to certain "practices" you can be sure that any colleges above it or competing with it are using the same "certain practices" to improve their stats. All in all they cancel out relative to each other. </p>
<p>WashU is known very well among those in the medical profession. Maybe not Law, but Med_TMuds asked for premed information so Yes WashU is known very well for medical related studies. BTW WashU doesn't lack respect so much as it lacks name recognition and WashU has currently initiated a program that has been in effect in the past few years to drasticly improve its publicity. Many students accepted to top tier schools are defering to come to WashU (once again maybe not for Law, but for Med yes, i know quite a few accepted into Stanford Harvard UPenn etc and defered to come to WashU). </p>
<p>Anyways just a word of caution, maybe youll want to consider giving comments with a bit more respect. If your going to make a point, do it a little less negatively and you wont get a response as you did from JusA. Soooo good luck to yall.</p>
<p>haha, this is so funny... 10 years ago? was collegekid even 10 yrs old yet? maybe i should quote acceptance rates from the 60s... that'll give a great idea of the school's quality. i started reseraching washu lets see... 8 years ago, and sure the sat stats have changed, but that 80% acceptance rate is just... yeah no. haha right... that would be pretty funny if it was true. </p>
<p>but anyway, i got accepted to a top graduate program after getting my bs at washu... people here should be talking about the more important but subtle differences between the schools. those are what can make a huge difference in your experience... housing, fin. aid, etc...</p>
<p>um, my opinion is judged from the opinions of my parents (very educated ppl who grew up in the midwest), Alexandre (has extensively studied schools), Slipper (was a grad adcom, went to 3 ivy league schools (2 for undergrad lol), 1 for MBA.</p>
<p>Honestly thats enough and its wonderful, however you arent your parents so please dont be negative in the future when posting, comments are suppose to help others in being fair, useful etc etc and not for the commentator's benefit. Im not one to lecture so lets just all get on with our lives. Theres no need to justify your comments to me or anyone else. if you believe it you believe it, but leave it at that. Anyways thanks for helping.</p>
<p>how does one rate a pre-med program. Basically, what I keep on hearing, if it has a good med school, it has a good med program. Is that the case or am i missing something???</p>